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Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
Are you even reading my posts? I've already addressed this."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
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Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
I ask you again, why accept one set of claims for miracles and reject other such claims? And do you really believe in demons?Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
Are you even reading my posts? I've already addressed this."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
So you think only your Christian miracles are real and everything else is the work of demons. Thank you.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Stoic View Post
It may seem more likely to you, but I believe the clinical tests are the gold standard in diagnosing brain death.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...ld-boy-is-dead
Specialists should use a brain-stem test to try to establish whether a 12-year-old boy who has not regained consciousness since suffering “catastrophic” brain damage is dead, a high court judge has ruled.
Mrs Justice Arbuthnot concluded that the test would be in Archie Battersbee’s best interests at a hearing in the family division of the high court in London on Friday.
Specialists treating Archie at the Royal London Hospital in Whitechapel, east London, think it “highly likely” the youngster is dead and say life-support treatment should end.
Bosses at the hospital’s governing trust, Barts Health NHS trust, asked the judge to rule that a brain-stem test would be in Archie’s best interests. A specialist told the judge that the brain stem was responsible for the functions that kept people alive.
Archie’s parents, Hollie Dance, 46, and Paul Battersbee, 56, who are separated and both from Southend, Essex, have concerns about doctors’ proposals and want treatment to continue.
They questioned the reliability of the test, fearing that it could cause more damage and asked why Archie, who lives with his mother, was not receiving treatment to relieve swelling on his brain.
Dance has told how she found Archie with a ligature over his head after an incident at home on 7 April, and thinks he might have been taking part in an online challenge.
She had urged the judge to give her son, a keen gymnast, “more time”. “Everyone is in such a rush,” she told the PA news agency. “I’m asking the judge to just give him more time – give him time to fight back.
“It’s only been five weeks – it took me longer to get over the flu. What’s the rush?”
Mrs Justice Arbuthnot oversaw a private hearing, but said Archie could be named in media reports of the case.
A campaign organisation called the Christian Legal Centre said it was supporting Archie’s family. Andrea Williams, its chief executive, said after the ruling: “This case raises the significant moral, legal and medical question as to when a person is dead.
“Archie’s parents do not accept that he is dead and are fighting for his life.”
A Barts Health NHS trust spokesperson said: “This is an incredibly sad situation and our thoughts and sympathies are with Archie and his family at this time.
“Following the decision that brain-stem testing is in Archie’s best interests, we will now take steps to arrange the testing to take place next week as directed by the court.”
"It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by tabibito View Post
Maybe I missed the place where you stipulated demons responsible for miracles. Did you do so?
To which I responded:Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostThe point being that if one set of miracles are claimed to have taken place, why not others?
I really think she was hoping I would reject the supernatural claims of other religions so she could say, "Gotcha!" But of course I didn't, so then she started spinning her wheels trying to salvage her little trap while missing the point.Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostWhy not indeed? Even Pharoah's court magicians were able to perform supernatural feats as recorded in the book of Exodus. I don't discount the miracle claims of other religions. Rather, I assume they are either misatributed miracles of God, or the work of demons. You might ask, "On what basis do you make that assumption?" And the answer is simple: because the miracle of the resurrection trumps every other religiious belief. It's a miracle that only God could have performed, because he is the author of life. From there, the whole of Christian theology falls into place.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
It all goes back to this. Hyper_Alexander said:
To which I responded:
I really think she was hoping I would reject the supernatural claims of other religions so she could say, "Gotcha!" But of course I didn't, so then she started spinning her wheels trying to salvage her little trap while missing the point.
Demons? You actually believe this?"It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
Yet while you do not "discount the miracle claims of other religions", you "assume they are either misatributed miracles of God, or the work of demons."
Demons? You actually believe this?Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
Yes, I believe that demons as described in the Bible exist. Why wouldn't I?
And again, there is no telling from this late date which of the daemons actually existed.Last edited by tabibito; 05-14-2022, 01:01 PM.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by tabibito View Post
I would have to admit that "demons" does create a bit of a dilemma. What we know as demons are in Biblical terms numbered among the unclean spirits. It is perhaps best to read Biblical records of "demons" as "daemons," given that the word translated as "demon" actually means "lesser god." (though many of them were considered inimical.) Note that the Athenians thought that Paul, when he was proclaiming Christ, was preaching about a daemon. Still, from a monotheistic viewpoint, any supernatural entity other than God is necessarily an angel or a demon, assuming that ghosts and such are not considered supernatural.
And again, there is no telling from this late date which of the daemons actually existed.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
Yet while you do not "discount the miracle claims of other religions", you "assume they are either misatributed miracles of God, or the work of demons."
Demons? You actually believe this?Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
Beige Federalist.
Nationalist Christian.
"Everybody is somebody's heretic."
Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.
Proud member of the this space left blank community.
Would-be Grand Vizier of the Padishah Maxi-Super-Ultra-Hyper-Mega-MAGA King Trumpius Rex.
Justice for Ashli Babbitt!
Justice for Matthew Perna!
Arrest Ray Epps and his Fed bosses!
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Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post
Why would we believe in God but not in angels or demons?1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
Yes, I believe that demons as described in the Bible exist. Why wouldn't I?"It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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