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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
My error I missed that qualification. However, it might be contended that the Hebrew texts may not have conformed with the version of the LXX that Saul/Paul utilised.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by tabibito View Post
For quite a while
Originally posted by tabibito View Post
Had he attempted to foist a version of the scriptures on the synagogues in question that they were not using, and which were at variance with what he was promoting, he would certainly have been scorned."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostSo reduced to just repeating your initial assertion sans a scintilla of supporting evidence.
“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by tabibito View Post
If Jesus had not been restored to physical life, he would not have been alive. Paul quite explicitly declared that、 post resurrection, Jesus was alive.
“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Tassman View Post
Is Jesus not alive spiritually for believers, albeit sans a material body?1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by Tassman View Post
The “evidence” is scriptural. There is NO account of a realistic, material body of Jesus until the gospels. And they were 40 plus years after the fact i.e., two decades after Paul wrote his Epistles, which in turn were written two decades after Jesus would have lived and died.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostWhat do you mean by "For quite a while"?
Given that you have acknowledged there were variants of the LXX, why would he have been "scorned"?1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by tabibito View Post
Putting it simply, the Jews to whom he was presenting his case would not have considered his source material suspect."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostYou really are a broken record. Mindlessly regurgitating your PRATT talking points ignoring that they were rebutted. I mean you don't even try to corroborate what you say, you just repeat yourself over and over.
But the scriptural evidence does not support your assumption. There is NO account of a realistic, touchable, material body of Jesus until the gospels. i.e., two decades after Paul wrote his Epistles.
“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Tassman View Post
You’ve rebutted nothing. You’ve merely assumed what Paul as a Pharisee would have believed in your opinion, about the resurrection of Jesus.
But the scriptural evidence does not support your assumption. There is NO account of a realistic, touchable, material body of Jesus until the gospels. i.e., two decades after Paul wrote his Epistles.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by tabibito View Post
Paul's declarations about Jesus being raised from the dead and alive are more than plain enough in themselves: all the falderol about late dates of the gospels avail nothing for the counterargument."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
It is so entertaining to read the arrogant comments from an uninformed member of the public that dismiss decades of academic research and study as "falderol about late dates of the gospels".
Why is it that whensome ofyou are unable to present a reasoned and cogent answer you adopt the behaviour of ten year olds in the play-yard?
That you resort to derogatorygifscomments leads me to conclude you cannot offer a cogent response.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by tabibito View Post
Paul's declarations about Jesus being raised from the dead and alive are more than plain enough in themselves: all the falderol about late dates of the gospels avail nothing for the counterargument.
“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Tassman View Post
Well "Paul's declarations about Jesus being raised from the dead and alive" are not "plain enough in themselves" at all. You are viewing Paul's epistles through the lens of the gospels.
It is said that a lie repeated often enough becomes the truth. Your sources have not lied often enough to convince impartial assessors. All you have proffered to date in support of the contention is debunked wresting of the meanings and significance of words.
And the text of the gospels represent an evolved edited text, without known authors.
It is strange that evidence for all this editing exists in the form of variant manuscripts - but those manuscripts do not show significant variation in the basic writings.Last edited by tabibito; 06-21-2022, 02:28 AM.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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