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Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
You of course ignore the third and most likely possibility: that skeptics like you who insist on an absurd degree of literalism are forcing an "error" into the text where none exists."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
At post #50 in the relevant thread there was nothing but an uncredited and unsupported cut and paste. Is that clear enough for you?
The facts were laid out in this post
Originally posted by rogue06 View PostI guess you missed this like you missed all of the citations I provided that you falsely claimed I didn't provide.
Stop acting like a big baby and just admit that your snarky remark blew up in your face.
You declared that
Only to have it shown that I had actually cited and quoted from the New York Times, Chicago Tribune, Los Angeles Times, Philadelphia Inquirer and the Journal of American History (the first and last source twice) as well as the American Academy of Pediatrics and the book Damned Lies and Statistics. I also cited the San Francisco Examiner but didn't quote them.
Then you claimed that they weren't in the quotes from my post that tab provided so you couldn't be faulted for missing them
Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostIn the link provided by "our mutual friend" there were no links that I could discern.
Only one problem with that.
There is no way you could have known that post was from 2015 unless you looked at the original post. The one that had all of the citations you declared I didn't provide. So you can't hide behind tab's not including them in his snippets when you obviously saw the original post.
Moreover, you tried a bit of bait and switch here. You moved the goal post when you said here that I didn't provide any links because you hadn't said that I hadn't given any "links" but rather that I hadn't provided any "supporting citations."
I guess you thought you could slip that one past since I established that I had provided "supporting citations" in spades.
So, in the end, as the posts clearly reveal, you thought that you would slip a snarky comment in only for it to backfire which led you to keep on digging the hole you placed yourself in, first by trying to shift the blame for your screw up onto tab, and also by trying to change what you falsely claimed I had not done.
Now put your big girl pants on and take responsibility for your actions rather than trying to gaslight your way out.
You can keep moving the goal posts clear out of the stadium to the other side of town, but nothing will change that.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostThe texts as they have come down to us is all we have. Everything else is interpretation. .Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostAnd that's the latest level that you have dug that hole you are in.
The facts were laid out in this post
You can keep moving the goal posts clear out of the stadium to the other side of town, but nothing will change that.
At post #50 in the relevant thread there was nothing but an uncredited and unsupported cut and paste.
What you wrote elsewhere on that thread is irrelevant to that simple fact.
Last edited by Hypatia_Alexandria; 10-31-2021, 11:20 AM."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
There's interpretation, and then there's rampant silliness. The idea that Matthew intended to convey that Jesus was riding two animals simultaneously is clearly the latter."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
What the author may have intended we do not know as we have no original MS of the text nor the author's own thoughts on the topic.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
What the author may have intended we do not know as we have no original MS of the text nor the author's own thoughts on the topic.
Matt 21:5 shows that Matthew knew full well that Zechariah's prophecy had the messiah riding a donkey's colt, not that he thought there were two animals. Once that fact has been pointed out to a critic, any claim that Matthew had misinterpreted the prophecy is an outright lie.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
"We just can't know for certain!" is often the last refuge of Bible skeptics who have begun to realize how ridiculous their argument really is but have a misplaced sense of pride in never conceding a debate."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by tabibito View Post
An admission that perhaps Matthew did not make a mistake. He might have made a mistake in what he wrote, or there might be a colloquial expression in play. Given that either may be the case, the claim that he DID make an error fails. Even if it did prove to be an error, it would be no more than a careless slip in grammar. That is nothing that any fair minded commentator would make a fuss about.
Matt 21:5 shows that Matthew knew full well that Zechariah's prophecy had the messiah riding a donkey's colt, not that he thought there were two animals. Once that fact has been pointed out to a critic, any claim that Matthew had misinterpreted the prophecy is an outright lie."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
With these texts no one can claim they know what the writer intended. To try to pretend otherwise is quite ridiculous. We have the texts as they have come down to us. Everything else is interpretation.
1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
.⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛
Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛
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Originally posted by tabibito View Post
But strangely enough, you make confident assertions about what the writers intended.
Nor can anyone [not even @Mountain Man] know where, if, and in precisely what way, those texts may have been interpolated and/or corrupted in later copying because we do not have an original complete MS for any these texts from which to work.
"It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
Obviously my comment was not clear enough for you, so let me repeat it.
At post #50 in the relevant thread there was nothing but an uncredited and unsupported cut and paste.
What you wrote elsewhere on that thread is irrelevant to that simple fact.
First, nothing was cut and pasted. Sources were cited and quoted.
Second, that is irrelevant to the fact that you falsely claimed that I had "[made] comments with no supporting citations."
So once again,
Originally posted by rogue06 View PostI guess you missed this like you missed all of the citations I provided that you falsely claimed I didn't provide.
Stop acting like a big baby and just admit that your snarky remark blew up in your face.
You declared that
Only to have it shown that I had actually cited and quoted from the New York Times, Chicago Tribune, Los Angeles Times, Philadelphia Inquirer and the Journal of American History (the first and last source twice) as well as the American Academy of Pediatrics and the book Damned Lies and Statistics. I also cited the San Francisco Examiner but didn't quote them.
Then you claimed that they weren't in the quotes from my post that tab provided so you couldn't be faulted for missing them
Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostIn the link provided by "our mutual friend" there were no links that I could discern.
Only one problem with that.
There is no way you could have known that post was from 2015 unless you looked at the original post. The one that had all of the citations you declared I didn't provide. So you can't hide behind tab's not including them in his snippets when you obviously saw the original post.
Moreover, you tried a bit of bait and switch here. You moved the goal post when you said here that I didn't provide any links because you hadn't said that I hadn't given any "links" but rather that I hadn't provided any "supporting citations."
I guess you thought you could slip that one past since I established that I had provided "supporting citations" in spades.
So, in the end, as the posts clearly reveal, you thought that you would slip a snarky comment in only for it to backfire which led you to keep on digging the hole you placed yourself in, first by trying to shift the blame for your screw up onto tab, and also by trying to change what you falsely claimed I had not done.
Now put your big girl pants on and take responsibility for your actions rather than trying to gaslight your way out.
You can keep moving the goal posts clear out of the stadium to the other side of town, but nothing will change that.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostMy comment was stating the blindingly obvious.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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