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Was Jesus a Progressive Socialist?

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  • Originally posted by Faber View Post

    There is an interesting passage in Mark's Gospel:


    This is one of the very few accounts in Mark's Gospel not found in the others. Some have speculated that this incident is a cameo appearance of Mark himself, in which he added his own personal experience. If that were the case, then Mark would definitely have some knowledge of the geography of the area.
    And a classic example of a "streaker" in the Bible.
    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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    • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

      And a classic example of a "streaker" in the Bible.
      Kind of like Isaiah

      Isaiah 20:2-4 “At the same time spake the Lord by Isaiah the son of Amoz, saying, Go and loose the sackcloth from off thy loins, and put off thy shoe from thy foot. And he did so, walking naked and barefoot."
      Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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      • And this brings us to today's lesson: The proper way to gird one's loins.



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        And don't ever let it be said that I discriminate against the wimmenfolk...
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        I'm always still in trouble again

        "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
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        • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
          And this brings us to today's lesson: The proper way to gird one's loins.



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          And don't ever let it be said that I discriminate against the wimmenfolk...
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          How to turn your dress into an adult diaper!
          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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          • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

            Please stop giving the impression that I ever called you a troll.
            Hmmm..... what was it.......... I know:- 'enemy of the cross', that was it.

            He was CLEARLY opposed to the corrupt system that existed. On that, we agree.
            Super. Happiness and contentment.

            That he was in any way installing a new system is entirely speculation on your part.
            Please stop giving the impression that I have written that Jesus was INSTALLING anything.
            He was campaigning against the corruption, greed, hypocrisy of a very wicked Jewish leadership.
            He wanted to progress far from that back to the proper social system without the Priesthood's and Temple scams,
            'I will have mercy and not sacrifice'

            He actually COUNTERED Moses' positions on several occasions.
            Of course he did! All the sacrificial scams, the hypocritical ceremony, the hypocrisy the unbelievable mammon.

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            • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

              Are you alleging that Jesus was 'promoting fair Taxation'?
              Fair Taxation is socially just. = Social Progress.
              Of course he was!

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              • Originally posted by tabibito View Post

                It seems more that you are arguing for Moses to be the progressive socialist.
                Do you disagree?

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                • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                  So "they wanted Jesus to enforce social welfare." And how did he respond? Did He "enforce social welfare"? If not, doesn't that sort of deflate your contention that His goal was to "enforce social welfare"?
                  Not at all..........Right up to that last week Jesus was demonstrating, campaigning, debating for social progression away from Temple and Priesthood corruption.
                  It's in the gospels.

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                  • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                    That was my point - if ever there was an opportunity for Jesus to expound upon Social Welfare, He missed it.

                    He clearly wanted no part of that little squabble.
                    You just cannot have read about all things that Jesus said and did if you think that.

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                    • Originally posted by eider View Post

                      You just cannot have read about all things that Jesus said and did if you think that.
                      Yup. I can. And you haven't made a case otherwise.
                      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                      • Originally posted by eider View Post
                        Fair Taxation is socially just. = Social Progress.
                        Of course he was!
                        As Hypoxia_Antipas would say --- that's your opinion.

                        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                        • Originally posted by eider View Post

                          Not at all..........Right up to that last week Jesus was demonstrating, campaigning, debating for social progression away from Temple and Priesthood corruption.
                          It's in the gospels.
                          OK, NOW I'm beginning to think you're just ing.
                          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                          • Originally posted by eider View Post
                            Hmmm..... what was it.......... I know:- 'enemy of the cross', that was it.
                            I accept your humble and sincere apology.

                            So, did you ever answer my question - "are you a follower of Jesus"?
                            And to be clear, "do you claim to be a Christian?"

                            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                            • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                              He didn't promote taxation either.
                              He didn't promote taxation for the gain of fat leaders.....of course not.
                              As a Galilean working man he was totally against the local taxation....it was very very hard indeed.
                              Studies outside the bible strongly suggest that, and since I don't believe that the boatmen of the lake were mild meek gentle-folks looking up to heaven but very hardened toughs (to survive) I feel confident to suggest that they needed scams for survival. Their night run down the Gadarenes is a joy to read..... where the pagans were...and all those pigs which they would have eaten. THey went down there to deal with them...no doubt in my mind. The lake had huge catfish in it which would often have got caught up in their nets, which they couldn't sell to Jews (carrion eaters), so any sensible boatmen would take them to sell to the pagans...night runs.

                              Have you seen how oppressive the taxation in Galilee and around the lake was? Really wicked. Zebedee must have been very very clever, and very very tough to survive.
                              I'll answer your other points next post.

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                              • Originally posted by Sparko View Post

                                And the OT laws were about, again, sharing. Sharing is not socialism.
                                Yes it is.

                                Socialism is when the government decides that it needs to step in and force "sharing" by taking away (taxing) the rich and giving to the poor in order to make everyone equally poor, while keeping a lion's share for those who do the governing. Nobody here is against caring and sharing voluntarily. That is not "socialism" that is "charity"
                                No. Socialism is when 'the people' support taxation to fulfil their needs.


                                We don't need no stinking government to do it for us.
                                Yes. You do. Let's see what you (probably) get from taxes, rates, fees and levies........ and you probably love them all, Sparko
                                All those defence military ships, planes and guns 'n stuff.
                                All those nice strong roads.
                                All those local services like taking waste away, cleaning streets, etc etc.
                                Police forces, Country, State and Federal all.
                                All those State schools and education establishments.
                                The Public hospitals and surgeries (if you have those).
                                All those social support services like child protection etc.
                                All those protective establishments like your Federal Drugs Agency (?)
                                Country and State properties to let to folks (?)
                                Benefit and support for the disabled, the elderly and unemployed.
                                It goes on....and on......... and you and your neighbours benefit from it all.

                                Now which bits do you think that Jesus or Baptist would have hated?
                                Which do you hate?

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