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Was Jesus a Progressive Socialist?

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  • Originally posted by tabibito View Post

    "Little first hand knowledge of geography" Possibly, even probably true - and thoroughly meaningless as a criticism. Not many people have an extensive first hand knowledge of geography.
    Funny thing -- my Dad was Army (Army Air Corps, then Air Force) and we moved a lot. For a time when I was young, we lived in Ohio, very near the shores of Lake Erie.
    I learned that "Lake Erie is NORTH".
    That served me very well, as my whole geographic reference was "Lake Erie is North". Wherever I was, I just had to think which direction Lake Erie was - that was North!

    Then we moved back to Texas and ..... my sense of direction needed SERIOUS recalibration.
    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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    • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

      As determined by their parents - Jesus wanted no part of it.
      Sources please!
      Quotes from Jesus.....please!

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      • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

        Yup - He wasn't setting up a socialist government, or in any way endorsing one.
        Of course he was not.
        He was campaigning against Priesthood and Temple corruption, injustice, greed and hypocrisy!
        He never did get to set up anything to replace those ......

        It's all in the synoptic gospels.

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        • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

          Pretty much.



          According to Jesus, "He that is not with me is against me".

          Sources please.
          Just quote from the gospels.

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          • Originally posted by eider View Post

            Of course he was not.
            He was campaigning against Priesthood and Temple corruption, injustice, greed and hypocrisy!
            On that, we agree!

            He never did get to set up anything to replace those ......

            It's all in the synoptic gospels.
            Actually, yes He did, because His focus was on the Kingdom which is not of this world.
            THAT, my friend was what He offered instead.

            How many times do we read "you have heard it said, but I say...."

            He was replacing "religion" with "relationship".

            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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            • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

              Pretty much.
              The above was your answer to my question, 'Do you think this is trolling?'
              Do you accuse anybody with a differing belief or viewpoint to you as a troll?

              This is my absolute belief about Jesus.

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              • Originally posted by eider View Post
                The above was your answer to my question, 'Do you think this is trolling?'
                Are you here for Christian fellowship, or to do battle with Christians?

                Do you accuse anybody with a differing belief or viewpoint to you as a troll?
                Nope.

                This is my absolute belief about Jesus.
                Are you one of His followers?

                The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                • Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                  No one has, as yet, suggested that this is "a mystery". The fact remains that Goodacre, Winn, Nineham and even Cranfield writing in the late 1950s, acknowledge that the anonymous author of Mark's gospel had little first hand knowledge of the geography of the region.

                  As Helms [a literary critic and English professor] goes on to note in the quote provided by Kirby, "However, the important location is the Mount of Olives; typology, not history, is at work: here."
                  .
                  Can you show how Goodacre, Winn, Nineham and even Cranfield come to the opinion that the Author of G-Mark had 'little first hand knowledge of...... Galilee?'
                  They only travelled South of Galilee once in G-Mark's account!

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                  • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post

                    What does any of those have to do with an inheritance?
                    I was writing to Cow Poke who wrote:-
                    They wanted Jesus to enforce social welfare.

                    (As I recall, Jesus wasn't so keen on that notion)

                    Which part of that didn't you understand?

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                    • Originally posted by Sparko View Post

                      Show me where Jesus stole from his rich friends to give to the poor.
                      Jesus was not a thief, Sparko. And the promotion of the OT poor laws, and his repeated sayings which covered greed, hoarding wealth and excess were not inciting theft.
                      But he did cause mayhem in Anna's bazaar, picket the Temple Courts and make speech to the people. And he returned the next day to do some of thos things.

                      Promotion of fair Taxation is not theft surely?


                      EDIT: Please do come back about this........ can we debate the point you have put forward?

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                      • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                        On that, we agree!
                        So please stop calling me a troll.



                        Actually, yes He did, because His focus was on the Kingdom which is not of this world.
                        THAT, my friend was what He offered instead.

                        How many times do we read "you have heard it said, but I say...."

                        He was replacing "religion" with "relationship".
                        I do not believe that.
                        He was pushing for an honest land as layed down by folks like Moses but without the Temple's ceremony, sacrificial scams, corruption....IMO

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                        • Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                          Only to those who hold to the notion that the bible is inerrant and that the four canonical gospels were written by four individuals who knew the man we know as Jesus of Nazareth; and that their names were Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John,

                          .
                          Sadly for your narrative, I don't subscribe to any of that. The same is true of a number of people who object to nonsense being palmed off as scholarly evaluation.
                          1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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                          Scripture before Tradition:
                          but that won't prevent others from
                          taking it upon themselves to deprive you
                          of the right to call yourself Christian.

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                          • Originally posted by eider View Post
                            So please stop calling me a troll.
                            Please stop giving the impression that I ever called you a troll.

                            I do not believe that.
                            He was pushing for an honest land as layed down by folks like Moses but without the Temple's ceremony, sacrificial scams, corruption....IMO
                            He was CLEARLY opposed to the corrupt system that existed. On that, we agree.

                            That he was in any way installing a new system is entirely speculation on your part.
                            He actually COUNTERED Moses' positions on several occasions.
                            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                            • Originally posted by eider View Post

                              Sources please.
                              Just quote from the gospels.
                              Seriously? You're not familiar with the quote - "He that is not with me is against me".

                              Scripture Verse: Matthew 12:30

                              “He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.”

                              © Copyright Original Source


                              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                              • Originally posted by eider View Post
                                Of course he was not.
                                He was campaigning against Priesthood and Temple corruption, injustice, greed and hypocrisy!
                                He never did get to set up anything to replace those ......

                                It's all in the synoptic gospels.
                                You don't say.

                                I'm always still in trouble again

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