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Was Jesus a Progressive Socialist?

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  • Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post

    I sometimes refer to him simply as "the Baptizer." No particular reason.
    Well well.......... folks here have been criticising me for naming him as 'The Baptist' or 'The Immerser'.
    But you calling him the Baptiser will probably be OK, I expect.

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    • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

      That would have been the case in Acts 4, where the "goodness" of people caused them voluntarily to share with others. There was no need to have a "law" or "system" that forced people to give up what they had.
      So in your World their would be no laws?
      Anarchy?

      Now what do you think Jesus would have wanted, about fair taxation for reasonable provision to all?
      I think you've got the word Socialism mixed up with tyrants like Stalin, and the hatred word Communism.

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      • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

        It's worse - it's coveting, and having somebody else force the other guy to give you what you want.

        Actually, it reminds me of the Luke 12:13 thing - Someone in the crowd said to him, “Teacher, tell my brother to divide the inheritance with me.”

        They wanted Jesus to enforce social welfare.

        (As I recall, Jesus wasn't so keen on that notion)
        Really? Brothers (and Sisters) often share inheritances ....

        The Baptist:
        Luke {3:11} He answereth and saith unto them, He that hath two coats, let him impart to him that hath none; and he that hath meat, let him do likewise.

        Moses:-
        Deuteronomy {15:11} .................. Thou shalt open thine hand wide unto thy brother, to thy poor, and to thy needy, in thy land.

        Jesus:
        Mark , {10:23} And Jesus looked round about, and saith unto his disciples, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God!


        You think this is trolling?
        And enemy of Jesus?

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        • Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

          The gospel of John? That is a much later and more theologically developed work.

          Edit I was tempted to write that George and Ringo had the idea first!
          Yep.
          The authors of John copied everything in G-John. Oral Tradition or writings.
          They didn't know where to place any incident on an expanded timeline.

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          • Originally posted by Sparko View Post

            No. They believe mankind is selfish.................
            Well, you got the first bit right.
            Jesus did not believe in people hoarding riches, imo....especially when others could not afford the security of a home, food or warmth..



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            • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
              Socialism is in effect nothing more or less than coveting.
              Socialism was not harvesting all the food out of fields.
              Socialism was leaving overlooked profits behind for the poor.
              Socialism was forfeiting premiums and debts owed after a few years.
              Socialism was about extending funds to the needy.

              Laws of Moses.

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              • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                Why is this so difficult for folks like you to grasp?
                Because you can't offer sources for your ideas from the gospels.

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                • Spoken by Jesus. He had no time for those who hoarded wealth when so many were so poor:-

                  Matthew {25:25} And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth:

                  Matthew {6:19} Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth,

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                  • Originally posted by tabibito View Post

                    Bethany Bethphage: It would be normal to say that a person went through Albury Wodonga en route to Wagga Wagga even if that person starts the journey from Melbourne, despite the fact that the person will pass through Wodonga before getting to Albury - it is simply a standard usage pattern. But contrary to the confident assertions about the location of Bethphage, no-one is certain of its exact location anyway. Way too much confidence placed on conjecture for this argument to be viable (on the basis of current knowledge).

                    Sidon to Galilee via the Decapolis: The return trip might be the equivalent of going from London to Paris via Hamburg, but no more than that - more likely via Amsterdam. According to Mark, Jesus went from Galilee to the region of Tyre which includes Sidon (Mark doesn't mention the route, so it is reasonable to assume he took the most common paths), spent some time in the region, and went from Sidon to the Galilee via the Decapolis: working a circuit seems perfectly normal conduct for an itinerant preacher. In the ordinary course, mention of the route taken is likely to indicate that there was a detour.
                    Thank you for your comments but they appear to be little more than contention purely for the sake of it.

                    The observations offered by a regius professor of divinity carry rather more academic weight on this matter than the opinions of a pseudonymous contributor to an insignificant Christian internet discussion board.
                    Last edited by Hypatia_Alexandria; 10-27-2021, 04:25 AM.
                    "It ain't necessarily so
                    The things that you're liable
                    To read in the Bible
                    It ain't necessarily so
                    ."

                    Sportin' Life
                    Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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                    • Originally posted by eider View Post

                      Yep.
                      The authors of John copied everything in G-John. Oral Tradition or writings.
                      They didn't know where to place any incident on an expanded timeline.
                      Once again I consider you are being overly simplistic in your comments on the content and origins of these texts.
                      "It ain't necessarily so
                      The things that you're liable
                      To read in the Bible
                      It ain't necessarily so
                      ."

                      Sportin' Life
                      Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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                      • Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                        Once again I consider you are being overly simplistic in your comments on the content and origins of these texts.
                        I won't spin these points in to complexity, HA.
                        That post was accurate, brief and clear.
                        Then any who might wish to challenge can get more detailed answers.

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                        • Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                          Thank you for your comments but they appear to be little more than contention purely for the sake of it.

                          The observations offered by a regius professor of divinity carry rather more academic weight on this matter than the opinions of a pseudonymous contributor to an insignificant Christian internet discussion board.
                          1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
                          .
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                          Scripture before Tradition:
                          but that won't prevent others from
                          taking it upon themselves to deprive you
                          of the right to call yourself Christian.

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                          • Originally posted by eider View Post

                            I won't spin these points in to complexity, HA.
                            That post was accurate, brief and clear.
                            Then any who might wish to challenge can get more detailed answers.
                            I stand by what I have written. There was no progressive socialism in first century CE Palestine [or indeed anywhere else in the ancient world].
                            "It ain't necessarily so
                            The things that you're liable
                            To read in the Bible
                            It ain't necessarily so
                            ."

                            Sportin' Life
                            Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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                            • Originally posted by eider View Post


                              Both Jesus and the Baptist were set against the outrages of the Priesthood and Temple. That's it.
                              And there we have it folks. They were against the outrages of the Priesthood and Temple. IOW, reformers.

                              No evidence for the claim that they were, as claimed, "progressive socialists."

                              I'm always still in trouble again

                              "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                              "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                              "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                              • Originally posted by eider View Post
                                Because you can't offer sources for your ideas from the gospels.
                                I did. You even acknowledged them.

                                You aren't to keen on honesty are you?

                                I'm always still in trouble again

                                "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                                "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                                "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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