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  • Mary's Room

    By Frank Jackson, basis argument:

    Mary is a brilliant scientist who is, for whatever reason, forced to investigate the world from a black and white room via a black and white television monitor. She specializes in the neurophysiology of vision and acquires, let us suppose, all the physical information there is to obtain about what goes on when we see ripe tomatoes, or the sky, and use terms like ‘red’, ‘blue’, and so on. She discovers, for example, just which wavelength combinations from the sky stimulate the retina, and exactly how this produces via the central nervous system the contraction of the vocal chords and expulsion of air from the lungs that results in the uttering of the sentence ‘The sky is blue’.… What will happen when Mary is released from her black and white room or is given a color television monitor? Will she learn anything or not? It seems just obvious that she will learn something about the world and our visual experience of it. But then is it inescapable that her previous knowledge was incomplete. But she had all the physical information. Ergo there is more to have than that, and Physicalism is false.

    The argument contained in this passage may be put like this:

    (1) Mary has all the physical information concerning human color vision before her release.

    (2) But there is some information about human color vision that she does not have before her release.

    Therefore

    (3) Not all information is physical information.
    Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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    She would be able to see color in her skin, or see red if she stuck herself and saw her blood, therefore this experiment is flawed!


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    • #3
      Originally posted by Sparko View Post
      She would be able to see color in her skin, or see red if she stuck herself and saw her blood, therefore this experiment is flawed!
      It is a thought experiment.
      Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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      • #4
        Originally posted by seer View Post

        It is a thought experiment.
        Well I thought about why it wouldn't work.


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        • #5
          Originally posted by Sparko View Post

          Well I thought about why it wouldn't work.
          OK, Mary has all of the knowledge about the physical processes of vision, but she was born color blind. One day she has an operation and can finally see/experience color. Is that better?
          Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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          • #6
            Originally posted by seer View Post

            OK, Mary has all of the knowledge about the physical processes of vision, but she was born color blind. One day she has an operation and can finally see/experience color. Is that better?
            This is about me, isn't it?
            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by seer View Post

              OK, Mary has all of the knowledge about the physical processes of vision, but she was born color blind. One day she has an operation and can finally see/experience color. Is that better?
              OK. Now you're thinking. I assume you mean she has zero color vision - just grayscale, rather than red/green colorblind or similar?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                This is about me, isn't it?
                It could be. have you ever tried out those colorblind correction glasses? I am curious what you would think about seeing colors you never saw before.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Sparko View Post

                  It could be. have you ever tried out those colorblind correction glasses? I am curious what you would think about seeing colors you never saw before.
                  We talked about that way back when - I forgot all about this! I'll have to check it out.
                  The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Sparko View Post

                    OK. Now you're thinking. I assume you mean she has zero color vision - just grayscale, rather than red/green colorblind or similar?
                    Right...
                    Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                      We talked about that way back when - I forgot all about this! I'll have to check it out.
                      What type of color blindness do you have? They have a test on that site. https://enchroma.com/pages/color-blindness-test

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Sparko View Post

                        What type of color blindness do you have? They have a test on that site. https://enchroma.com/pages/color-blindness-test
                        So I did the whole thing, and it asks for my email address before showing me results -- I HATE that.
                        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                          So I did the whole thing, and it asks for my email address before showing me results -- I HATE that.
                          there is a link below that that say to just show you the results. Click that.

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                          • #14
                            CP there is apparently software to adjust your monitor to correct color blindness! https://www.thewindowsclub.com/compu...olor-blindness

                            and to get on topic.

                            So this experiment is basically about "qualia" right, Seer? That there is something about experience that can't be known by book learning?

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Sparko View Post

                              there is a link below that that say to just show you the results. Click that.
                              color blind.png
                              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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