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Originally posted by Stoic View Post
I think it's your burden to show the first premise of your argument is true.
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Originally posted by seer View Post
Of course, if naturalism is true - no one could read a map. What do chemicals, biology and the laws of nature know of propositions? That is your burden...
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Originally posted by Roy View PostLike, for example, by reading a map?
That would produce, from your first premise:
"1. If Naturalism is true, then no event can cause another event due to its propositional content."
2. Reading a map is an event that can cause another event due to its propositional content.
3. Therefore if naturalism is true, no-one can read maps.
If #3 is false - and it certainly appears to be false - then your first premise is also false.
(At this point I expect you to try to shift the burden of proof).
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Originally posted by seer View PostA simple example would be reasoning to take a certain course of action, then acting on it - like the figuring out (propositional content) the best route to travel to a specific destination.
That would produce, from your first premise:
"1. If Naturalism is true, then no event can cause another event due to its propositional content."
2. Reading a map is an event that can cause another event due to its propositional content.
3. Therefore if naturalism is true, no-one can read maps.
If #3 is false - and it certainly appears to be false - then your first premise is also false.
(At this point I expect you to try to shift the burden of proof).
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Originally posted by Stoic View Post
What does it mean for an event to cause another event due to its propositional content?
Or propositional content leading to true conclusions (rational inference).
1. All dogs are mortal.
2. Spot is a dog.
3.Therefore spot is mortal.
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The Argument From Reason...
And I quote:
1. If Naturalism is true, then no event can cause another event due to its propositional content.
2. But some events do cause other events due to propositional content (i,e.logical inference).
3. Therefore naturalism is false.Tags: None
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