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Originally posted by Stoic View Post
But there may not be a trustworthy God who does not seek to deceive us.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Stoic View Post
"Small thing" is a bit of an overstatement.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Stoic View Post
I've been very consistent about that.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Stoic View Post
If you're going to be that way, we aren't going to be able to have any more discussions.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostWhat did I say wrong?
Beside didn't you accuse me of being devious?
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Originally posted by Stoic View PostI said I don't think the laws of logic are absolute, not that they aren't consistent.
Refusing to defend your premise because you can't do so without presenting a circular argument, while at the same time accusing me of arguing in a circle, doesn't seem quite kosher. If "devious" isn't the right word, what word is?
Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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If natural selection is contingent, then the best the atheist can do, is make a valid logically deductive argument with premise 1 carrying the caveat, that it's contingent.
Only the theist can make a non-contingent and valid, logically deductive argument.
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Originally posted by Machinist View PostIf natural selection is contingent, then the best the atheist can do, is make a valid logically deductive argument with premise 1 carrying the caveat, that it's contingent.
Only the theist can make a non-contingent and valid, logically deductive argument.
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Originally posted by seer View PostAt that point I was not defending the concept of God, just presenting a deductive argument. And it was not circular. If you, or anyone else, was defending the legitimacy of human reason, using human reason, then that is circular. And that was what you seemed to be doing. In any case I was not trying to be devious.
But if you are going to use human reason to argue for the existence of God, and use God to argue for the reliability of human reason, then you are arguing in a circle, even if you don't do it all at once.
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Originally posted by seer View Post
That is silly Tass, we knew about the Gallic Wars long before anything close to the scientific method came around. These are historical questions, You can not prove scientifically that Caesar wrote Gallic Wars.
This as opposed to your unsound deductive arguments based upon assumed, unverified premises.
Not all people love their families, you can not demonstrate scientifically that you actually do love your mother,
“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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