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“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostFor a deductive argument to be sound it’s premise must be demonstrably true.
Looked at from many perspectives, as a premise it could be said to be demonstrably false.
When inventing a god, it is imperative to claim that it's; invisible, inaudible and imperceptible in every way. Otherwise - when it appears to no one, is silent and does nothing - intelligent people are liable to become sceptical.
- Anonymous
When asked why Omniscient and Omnipotent God, chose to burn alive the children of two Middle Eastern cities, came the reply;
“His hands were tied.” - DaveTheApologist
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Originally posted by Tassman View Post
Logic is just a set of rules and techniques for distinguishing good reasoning from bad. For a deductive argument to be ‘sound’ it’s premise must be demonstrably true.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Stoic View PostYou can provide a "logical justification" for anything that way.
You want to justify X? Just make up a Y, such that Y->X.
1) Y
2) Y->X
3) Therefore, X.
Now you have a non-circular, deductive argument for X. Without any effort whatsoever.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Tassman View Post
Human history is not necessarily a “path to truth” given the social and religious diversity over the millennia. Social values and perceived “truth” have varied enormously. Only scientific methodology can provide empirical, repeatable results and eliminate subjectivity.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Markus River View Post
Looked at from many perspectives, as a premise it could be said to be demonstrably false.
It would be from an atheist perspective I guess. If the existence of a Rational God cannot be demonstrated to be true per the atheist's criteria, then the deductive syllogism presented by Seer is not valid from their frame of reference.
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Can the atheist create a deductive argument from their naturalistic viewpoint that is not circular? I think that it has already been conceded in this thread that it can't. The only retort being " You also have no way of avoiding circularity."
So from what I gather, the atheist view is that neither the atheist nor the theist can actually create a deductive argument to logically justify human reasoning that it not circular.
Does this represent everyone's position accurately?
If it does, I have a follow up thought that I would like to share.
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Originally posted by Machinist View PostCan the atheist create a deductive argument from their naturalistic viewpoint that is not circular? I think that it has already been conceded in this thread that it can't. The only retort being " You also have no way of avoiding circularity."
So from what I gather, the atheist view is that neither the atheist nor the theist can actually create a deductive argument to logically justify human reasoning that it not circular.
Does this represent everyone's position accurately?
1) Our reasoning abilities are the result of natural selection.
2) Reasoning abilities that are the result of natural selection are generally reliable.
3) Therefore, our reasoning abilities are generally reliable.
Please note that this is a non-circular, valid deductive argument.
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Originally posted by Stoic View PostNope.
1) Our reasoning abilities are the result of natural selection.
2) Reasoning abilities that are the result of natural selection are generally reliable.
3) Therefore, our reasoning abilities are generally reliable.
Please note that this is a non-circular, valid deductive argument.
Premise two, why would would non-rational forces that care nothing for, or aim at, cognitive reliability do so?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Machinist View PostAnd hasn't it already been established that there is no evidence that reasoning abilities are the result of natural selection?
At the same time, there is no evidence for God, yet we assert him as the premise.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Machinist View PostBecause, because, because, we are theists. Yes. I keep forgetting that.
“If the solar system was brought about by an accidental collision, then the appearance of organic life on this planet was also an accident, and the whole evolution of Man was an accident too. If so, then all our present thoughts are mere accidents, the accidental by-product of the movement of atoms. And this holds for our thoughts. But if our thoughts are merely accidental by-products, why should we believe them to be true? " C.S. LewisAtheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Stoic View Post
NOW you want the premises to be supported?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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