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Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
Failure to answer . . . There is absolutely no evidence for any other cause for human and animal consciousness than the brain.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View Post
Another argument from ignorance?
Methodological Naturalism requires objective verifiable evidence to justify a falsifiable hypothesis. There is absolutely none for any other cause then falsifiable Natural causes. The Lurch has also posted this.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Research on the relationship between the brain and conscious has greatly increased to the point of treatment of illness, injuries and neurological conditions.
Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by seer View Post
Searle is a smart guy - but his theory is still open to my previous objection.
I see what you're saying though. If these were indeed physical, we should be able to see them and map them out on the human brain. As you say, there should be a notable difference between the brains of creatures who have self awareness and those that don't. For that matter, there should be a difference between, say, the brain of a Christian and that of a Muslim.
Tass keeps bringing up that there are tools that do just this. Is there some new technology out there that I am unaware of?
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From Shuny's post:
When the team asked her to imagine playing tennis, they observed activity in a part of her brain called the supplementary motor area. When they asked her to imagine walking through her home, activity ramped up instead in three areas of the brain that are associated with movement and memory. The researchers observed the same patterns in healthy volunteers who were given identical instructions.
Were they able to see any first person experience in the subject's brain? The color of the walls, for instance...maybe associated memories, etc.?
Do you believe that this technology will continue to evolve until we actually can read the mind?
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Originally posted by Machinist View PostFrom Shuny's post:
Were they able to see any first person experience in the subject's brain? The color of the walls, for instance...maybe associated memories, etc.?
Do you believe that this technology will continue to evolve until we actually can read the mind?
Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Machinist View Post
Tass keeps bringing up that there are tools that do just this. Is there some new technology out there that I am unaware of?
Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View Post
No. How, even in principle, could one discover the image of my mother I'm now holding in my mind? You may discover which parts of my brain are causing said image - but science could never actually reproduce it.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
Reproducing the image would not be necessary. Establishing the origin and cause would be the goal of science in terms of the relationship of the brain to consciousness,Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View Post
They can't see or know first person experience. We could never know the interior life of a bat for instance. No matter how many electrodes we connect to the brain.
More references to follow . . .Last edited by shunyadragon; 01-05-2022, 09:41 AM.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
They can establish the cause and effect between images and thoughts and the specific locations in the brain.the brain.
More references to follow . . .Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View Post
I have no problem with that but that is not what we are speaking of.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
Objective verifiable evidence of the direct relationship between the brain and consciousness.
Heck your religion takes it further:
The rational soul—the human spirit—did not descend into this body or subsist through it to begin with, that it should require some substance to depend upon after the constituent parts of the body have decomposed. On the contrary, the rational soul is the substance upon which the body depends. The rational soul is endowed from the beginning with individuality; it does not acquire it through the intermediary of the body. At most, what can be said is that the individuality and identity of the rational soul may be strengthened in this world, and that the soul may either progress and attain to the degrees of perfection or remain in the lowest abyss of ignorance and be veiled from and deprived of beholding the signs of God. – Some Answered Questions, newly revised edition, p. 277.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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