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Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Stoic View Post
Some convictions are more questionable than others.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Stoic View Post
Fortunately, I don't need his statement to tell me how to decide.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Stoic View Post
Yes, in response to your incredulity about the non-rational producing the rational.
Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View Post
Claiming incredulity tell us nothing about how chemicals can, even in theory, produce propositional content or logical inference.
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Originally posted by Stoic View Post
Since electronics can produce propositional content or logical inference, it doesn't seem so hard to believe that chemicals can.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View Post
But they don't, electrons do no such thing. We do, they only spit out what we programmed in. So computers are not really making rational inferences.
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(At this point I expect you to try to shift the burden of proof).Originally posted by seer View PostI think it's your burden to show the first premise of your argument is true.
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Originally posted by Roy View PostIt's your argument. We don't have to show anything. We just have to note that you haven't supported your first premise at all, and it appears to be false (since computer applications can read maps), so your whole argument has no basis.
Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Stoic View Post
Obviously, we're never going to agree on this. I find it plausible that we are the result of unguided evolution, and you don't.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostYet you keep referencing computers where their ability is merely an extension of our rational abilities: rational = rational. I don't see how that is evidence for the non-rational creating the rational.
I reference evolution when you claim that the non-rational can't create the rational. It's obvious that we are a result of evolution. The claim that our minds are somehow separate, and not a product of evolution, is just ad hoc, motivated reasoning. Keep in mind that if you want to claim that our minds are not the result of evolution, it's your burden of proof.
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Originally posted by Stoic View Post
I reference computers in order to dispose of the first premise in the argument in your OP. There is nothing non-natural about computers. They are well understood, completely determined, and capable of causing events due to propositional content.
I reference evolution when you claim that the non-rational can't create the rational. It's obvious that we are a result of evolution. The claim that our minds are somehow separate, and not a product of evolution, is just ad hoc, motivated reasoning. Keep in mind that if you want to claim that our minds are not the result of evolution, it's your burden of proof.
Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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