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This forum is open discussion between atheists and all theists to defend and debate their views on religion or non-religion. Please respect that this is a Christian-owned forum and refrain from gratuitous blasphemy. VERY wide leeway is given in range of expression and allowable behavior as compared to other areas of the forum, and moderation is not overly involved unless necessary. Please keep this in mind. Atheists who wish to interact with theists in a way that does not seek to undermine theistic faith may participate in the World Religions Department. Non-debate question and answers and mild and less confrontational discussions can take place in General Theistics.
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Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
Many years ago, I had a pastor who was really focused on spiritual gifts, especially speaking in tongues, almost fixated on it to the point that it started to drive people away from the church.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostI see apologetics as largely being the shield of our faith. Something designed to defend Christianity from outside attacks that could sway believers if all they ever heard was those attacks.
Oh, and if you want Nick's P.O.V., I suggest a summoning: Apologiaphoenix
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Originally posted by 3 Resurrections View PostNo offense taken, Cow Poke. I can understand why you might sense a red flag going up. The username of 3 Resurrections is only my way of identifying what I think is the only bridge that could unite all the various eschatological positions. As I said above, I think each one of the camps is partly seeing the truth of SOMETHING of the big picture. Sort of like the "Blind men and the Elephant" poem. Each of them were partly in the right, and all were in the wrong in some way. A THIRD resurrection in our future is the only way that all of these varying positions could be reconciled with each other. And it's very, very simple to prove this from scripture without twisting anything whatever.
I hope I don't come across as some kind of crusader on here. In actuality, my main reason for being here is fellowship, and a continued part of my ongoing "therapy" against the past influences of sitting in a cult church with my husband for 16 years. HORRID aftermath effects of that spiritually abusive atmosphere - especially for the women and girls in the church. The "pastor" fell into sin in the typical fashion for many pastors, but still ended up being put back in his leadership position. During those years, I wanted to die, and I feared and hated domineering, oppressive men who had played a part in making my life a living hell. That was 20 years in the past when our family finally got out of that church, by God's mercy. Over the years, God has gently washed the bitterness from my mind and heart, and the ground feels level at the foot of the cross by now. But to keep from ever lapsing back into that poisonous mentality against my fellow Christian brothers, I make myself venture into the public arena and engage with you guys on purpose. Although I'm naturally an introvert, and I can totally identify with a lot of Nick's reticent perspectives on people and relationships. I relish reading the different types of viewpoints coming from each of you, and I wish there were a lot more women participating in the discussions as well - to help keep it balanced, you know.
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It is very unfortunate when Christians take a dogmatic approach to end time events. Whether it be the pre-tribulation rapture or the preterist view. (Both I see as being the extremes).
I tend to focus on their loving walking the walk, in the service of the Lord, but tend to not pay too much attention to their talk due to their, imo, extreme position on the end times.
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Originally posted by Diogenes View Post
I am an equal opportunity heretic as my view of Christianity is more or less a hodgepodge.
Hope to see more contributions
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Nice to see Cow Poke still plugging away! I’ve haven’t been on TWeb for ages and it seems like a bit happier place. When it comes to Christianity, I believe in the spirit of it, not the theology. Never heard of the Three Resurrections - sounds interesting. I’ve often used the diamond analogy regarding the verisimilitudes within the religion. Each diversion is like one facet of a finely cut diamond - each is necessary for the full opulence to shine.
NORMWhen the missionaries came to Africa they had the Bible and we had the land. They said 'Let us pray.' We closed our eyes. When we opened them we had the Bible and they had the land. - Bishop Desmond Tutu
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Originally posted by NormATive View PostNice to see Cow Poke still plugging away! I’ve haven’t been on TWeb for ages and it seems like a bit happier place. When it comes to Christianity, I believe in the spirit of it, not the theology. Never heard of the Three Resurrections - sounds interesting. I’ve often used the diamond analogy regarding the verisimilitudes within the religion. Each diversion is like one facet of a finely cut diamond - each is necessary for the full opulence to shine.
NORM
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Hi Sparko - we’ll see. I’ve greatly reduced the time I spend on social media, but I do fondly recall some rather “spirited” debate on the T-webs. It seems like most of us ancient of days share the same birth date of 2014, I presume because of the Great Crash of 2013? I still run into Dee Dee on occasion as she wages another holy war in the Libertarian encampment.When the missionaries came to Africa they had the Bible and we had the land. They said 'Let us pray.' We closed our eyes. When we opened them we had the Bible and they had the land. - Bishop Desmond Tutu
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Originally posted by NormATive View PostHi Sparko - we’ll see. I’ve greatly reduced the time I spend on social media, but I do fondly recall some rather “spirited” debate on the T-webs. It seems like most of us ancient of days share the same birth date of 2014, I presume because of the Great Crash of 2013? I still run into Dee Dee on occasion as she wages another holy war in the Libertarian encampment.
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Originally posted by Sparko View Post
Yep, Tweb was reincarnated from a backup in 2014. Yeah I am still friends with Dee Dee on Facebook. She has tried to get me to turn libertarian (I am Republican) but I think the libertarian party is all over the place and halfway nuts"I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
They make good points, but... yeah.
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Originally posted by Sparko View Post
Yep, Tweb was reincarnated from a backup in 2014. Yeah I am still friends with Dee Dee on Facebook. She has tried to get me to turn libertarian (I am Republican) but I think the libertarian party is all over the place and halfway nuts
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by NormATive View PostNice to see Cow Poke still plugging away! I’ve haven’t been on TWeb for ages and it seems like a bit happier place. When it comes to Christianity, I believe in the spirit of it, not the theology. Never heard of the Three Resurrections - sounds interesting. I’ve often used the diamond analogy regarding the verisimilitudes within the religion. Each diversion is like one facet of a finely cut diamond - each is necessary for the full opulence to shine.
NORM
If you have the time, and if you are at all interested in how the theme of three bodily resurrection events is developed in scripture, here is a link to another Christian forum site where I'm a member and post anonymously. In that post, I spelled out some of the details of the three bodily resurrection events for others to consider and critique. That link is http://www.gracecentered.com/christi...resurrections/
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