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"It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
What on earth has logic got to do with a superstitious panacea of eschatological redemption?
I really hope you remember this the next time you try to formulate a logical argument against the existence of God.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
I really hope you remember this the next time you try to formulate a logical argument against the existence of God.
I merely utilise the various beliefs in, and the various constructs of, such an entity to question those beliefs and constructs.
However, if the believer really accepts that their Supreme Creator Being is indeed omniscient and omnipotent it follows that such a Supreme Creator Being can do anything it likes regardless of how illogical or impossible that may appear to mere fallible human beings."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostHowever, if the believer really accepts that their Supreme Creator Being is indeed omniscient and omnipotent it follows that such a Supreme Creator Being can do anything it likes regardless of how illogical or impossible that may appear to mere fallible human beings.
You are essentially positing a being who can be both God and not God at the same time and in the same sense.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
No, that doesn't follow.
You are essentially positing a being who can be both God and not God at the same time and in the same sense."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
Can an ant comprehend and understand the design and all the attendant technology of the space shuttle? Yet the huge gap between the ant's comprehension and understanding of the shuttle is infinitesimal in comparison to human understanding of an alleged omniscient and omnipotent Supreme Creator Being.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
Can an ant comprehend and understand the design and all the attendant technology of the space shuttle? Yet the huge gap between the ant's comprehension and understanding of the shuttle is infinitesimal in comparison to human understanding of an alleged omniscient and omnipotent Supreme Creator Being.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
This is honestly too ridiculous to even bother responding to. I suppose you think an omnipotent being really could create a rock too heavy for himself to lift."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
It does not matter what I think. You want an omniscient and omnipotent deity yet you want that deity constrained by human constructs i.e. logic.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
Logic is not a human construct, you moron."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
Of course logic is a human construct. From whence do you imagine it originated? They were very clever those ancient Greeks!Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
You are conflating the existence of a thing with the language used to describe that thing. It would be like claiming that horses didn't exist until someone decided to call them horses.
"It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
You are confusing concepts with living entities. These two things are not directly comparable and therefore the analogy collapses.
What we call logic was a preexisting quality of reality. The Greeks didn't invent it, they simply codified a means to describe it.
Frankly, I'm not sure if you really don't understand this, or if you're just trolling me.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
Good grief, you really are obtuse. Now you're arguing the analogy instead of the point being made. Perhaps I need simplify this even further for you:
What we call logic was a preexisting quality of reality. The Greeks didn't invent it, they simply codified a means to describe it.
Frankly, I'm not sure if you really don't understand this, or if you're just trolling me.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
If you wish to have an exchange on comparative religions do feel free to start a thread
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostYes you can.
First you tell the poster not to post in the thread. Obviously make sure it is a thread you started.
Then report the post (hit the "flag" option) and include your reason.
Generally it will be approved[1[. Recently one wasn't because the OP was kicking anyone out who disagreed with what they said. That's what blogs are for. This is a debate/discussion forum -- although a member can start a blog (same rules apply as posting here though).
Finally, you can't keep addressing older posts by the person you kicked out, nor talk about them since that allows them to return and respond.
1. keep in mind that we are generally short staffed and it can take awhile for a response. If it really is a problem, file another report
Do you see anything that you just screwed up?
No?
Here let me help
First you tell the poster not to post in the thread. Obviously make sure it is a thread you started.
Pay special attention to the second sentence.
Figure it out yet?
Dingbat
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