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H_A's Devil Hoedown Thread

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  • H_A's Devil Hoedown Thread

    Originally posted by Christianbookworm
    A mere creature arrogant enough to rebel against God almighty! What an idiot! I know all of us humans have sinned, but I would expect an angel to be smarter than a silly mammal.
    He was one of the sons of god.
    "It ain't necessarily so
    The things that you're liable
    To read in the Bible
    It ain't necessarily so
    ."

    Sportin' Life
    Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

  • #2
    Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

    He was one of the sons of god.

    He was a creation of God who rebelled due to his own pride and was cast out of heaven by God.

    Jesus is the Son of God. Believers are called sons of God. Angels are not.


    Securely anchored to the Rock amid every storm of trial, testing or tribulation.

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    • #3
      At the risk of sounding like I'm defending her, I think HA was citing Job 1:6.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by mossrose View Post


        He was a creation of God who rebelled due to his own pride and was cast out of heaven by God.
        Well that's a later interpretation

        For interest. From Elaine Pagels, The Origin of Satan: How Christians Demonised Jews, Pagans, and Heretics.

        In the Hebrew Bible, as in mainstream Judaism to this day, Satan never appears as Western Christendom has come to know him, as the leader of an “evil empire,” an army of hostile spirits who make war on God and humankind alike.7 As he first appears in the Hebrew Bible, Satan is not necessarily evil, much less opposed to God. On the contrary, he appears in the book of Numbers and in Job as one of God's obedient servants—a messenger, or angel, a word that translates the Hebrew term for messenger (ma’lak) into Greek (angelos). In Hebrew, the angels were often called “sons of God” (bene ‘elohim), and were envisioned as the hierarchical ranks of a great army, or the staff of a royal court. [See p.40]


        Of course that suggestion of a royal court reflects back to the original Canaanite pantheon of El and his consort, his children i.e. the lesser gods, although not necessarily by his consort, and the various messengers and courtiers. Those various figures were transformed into heavenly beings as the Hebrew religion developed. Pagels continues:

        Around the time Job was written (c. 550 B.C.E.), however, other biblical writers invoked the satan to account for division within Israel. One court historian slips the satan into an account concerning the origin of census taking, which King David introduced into Israel c. 1000 BCE for the purpose of instituting taxation. David's introduction of taxation aroused vehement and immediate opposition [...] Why had David committed what one chronicler who recalls the story regards as an evil, aggressive act "against Israel"? Unable to deny that the offending order came from the king himself, but intent on condemning David's action without condemning the king directly, the author of I Chronicles suggests that a supernatural adversary within the divine court had managed to infiltrate the royal house and lead the king himself into sin: "The satan stood up against Israel and incited David to number the people" [I Chron.21:11]. But although an angelic power incited David to commit this otherwise inexplicable act, the chronicler insists that the king was nevertheless personally responsible - and guilty. [See pp 43]



        "It ain't necessarily so
        The things that you're liable
        To read in the Bible
        It ain't necessarily so
        ."

        Sportin' Life
        Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
          Well that's a later interpretation

          For interest. From Elaine Pagels, The Origin of Satan: How Christians Demonised Jews, Pagans, and Heretics.

          In the Hebrew Bible, as in mainstream Judaism to this day, Satan never appears as Western Christendom has come to know him, as the leader of an “evil empire,” an army of hostile spirits who make war on God and humankind alike.7 As he first appears in the Hebrew Bible, Satan is not necessarily evil, much less opposed to God. On the contrary, he appears in the book of Numbers and in Job as one of God's obedient servants—a messenger, or angel, a word that translates the Hebrew term for messenger (ma’lak) into Greek (angelos). In Hebrew, the angels were often called “sons of God” (bene ‘elohim), and were envisioned as the hierarchical ranks of a great army, or the staff of a royal court. [See p.40]


          Of course that suggestion of a royal court reflects back to the original Canaanite pantheon of El and his consort, his children i.e. the lesser gods, although not necessarily by his consort, and the various messengers and courtiers. Those various figures were transformed into heavenly beings as the Hebrew religion developed. Pagels continues:

          Around the time Job was written (c. 550 B.C.E.), however, other biblical writers invoked the satan to account for division within Israel. One court historian slips the satan into an account concerning the origin of census taking, which King David introduced into Israel c. 1000 BCE for the purpose of instituting taxation. David's introduction of taxation aroused vehement and immediate opposition [...] Why had David committed what one chronicler who recalls the story regards as an evil, aggressive act "against Israel"? Unable to deny that the offending order came from the king himself, but intent on condemning David's action without condemning the king directly, the author of I Chronicles suggests that a supernatural adversary within the divine court had managed to infiltrate the royal house and lead the king himself into sin: "The satan stood up against Israel and incited David to number the people" [I Chron.21:11]. But although an angelic power incited David to commit this otherwise inexplicable act, the chronicler insists that the king was nevertheless personally responsible - and guilty. [See pp 43]


          Once again, this is you. Willfully ignorant of hearing the truth.


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          • #6
            Originally posted by mossrose View Post

            Once again, this is you. Willfully ignorant of hearing the truth.
            What truth? I think you are actually referring to what you believe to be the truth.
            "It ain't necessarily so
            The things that you're liable
            To read in the Bible
            It ain't necessarily so
            ."

            Sportin' Life
            Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

              What truth? I think you are actually referring to what you believe to be the truth.

              As compared to what you "believe" to be the truth? God's truth is the only truth.


              Securely anchored to the Rock amid every storm of trial, testing or tribulation.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by mossrose View Post


                As compared to what you "believe" to be the truth? God's truth is the only truth.
                Ah but which God is that, mossrose?
                "It ain't necessarily so
                The things that you're liable
                To read in the Bible
                It ain't necessarily so
                ."

                Sportin' Life
                Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                  Ah but which God is that, mossrose?
                  The only God, HA.





                  Securely anchored to the Rock amid every storm of trial, testing or tribulation.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by mossrose View Post

                    The only God, HA.


                    Again we are back to what you believe, aren't we? And another believer in a different religion might offer a similar comment.
                    "It ain't necessarily so
                    The things that you're liable
                    To read in the Bible
                    It ain't necessarily so
                    ."

                    Sportin' Life
                    Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

                    Comment

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