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Why is moral relativism such a bad thing?

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  • Why is moral relativism such a bad thing?

    Is there a logical argument as to why moral relativism is a bad thing?

  • #2
    Originally posted by Machinist View Post
    Is there a logical argument as to why moral relativism is a bad thing?
    I don't think so. Saying that the Holocaust was a moral good may profoundly violate our inherent moral sense though.
    Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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    • #3
      Originally posted by seer View Post

      I don't think so. Saying that the Holocaust was a moral good may profoundly violate our inherent moral sense though.
      Well that's a good answer. I don't know what it is that I am even asking here.

      I guess I was referring to the day-to-day moral relativism... on the practical level where life happens. There are lots of people who identify as atheists these days.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Machinist View Post
        Is there a logical argument as to why moral relativism is a bad thing?
        If you wish to engage in an exchange on this topic you might like to consider using this entry as your starting point for definitions, examples, etc.

        https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/m...tivism/#RelTol
        "It ain't necessarily so
        The things that you're liable
        To read in the Bible
        It ain't necessarily so
        ."

        Sportin' Life
        Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Machinist View Post
          Is there a logical argument as to why moral relativism is a bad thing?
          Igor, himself a moral relativist, thinks people who ask such questions in public should be killed.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by seer View Post

            I don't think so. Saying that the Holocaust was a moral good may profoundly violate our inherent moral sense though.
            Yes, there is definitely an emotional argument to be made.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Stoic View Post

              Yes, there is definitely an emotional argument to be made.
              Our sense of justice need not be emotional, but rational.
              Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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              • #8
                Originally posted by seer View Post

                Our sense of justice need not be emotional, but rational.
                I'd like to see how.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Stoic View Post

                  I'd like to see how.
                  You can believe that the intentional, unjustified taking of human life is a moral wrong without bringing emotion into it.
                  Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by seer View Post

                    You can believe that the intentional, unjustified taking of human life is a moral wrong without bringing emotion into it.
                    Again, I'd like to see how.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Stoic View Post

                      Again, I'd like to see how.
                      I don't see why not. Why does a sense of fairness have to be emotional? Why does seeing things as unequal have to be emotional?
                      Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by seer View Post

                        I don't see why not. Why does a sense of fairness have to be emotional? Why does seeing things as unequal have to be emotional?
                        Seeing things as unequal does not have to be emotional. But unequal does not necessarily mean unfair.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Stoic View Post

                          Seeing things as unequal does not have to be emotional. But unequal does not necessarily mean unfair.
                          Would you mind explaining this? I get the first part, but not the second.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by seer View Post
                            Our sense of justice need not be emotional, but rational.
                            Here you're alleging our sense of justice can be / is rational. Yet in other threads you've argued the opposite. You don't seem very consistent in your claims.


                            I agree with your view that justice can be rationally-grounded and not emotional. But once you say that, you're admitting that people worldwide and through history can arrive at the same views on justice, via reason. And thus you've arrived at a universal moral code, which is grounded in reason and not emotion, that all humans can converge to regardless of culture or religion.
                            Last edited by Starlight; 05-28-2021, 06:01 PM.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Machinist View Post
                              But unequal does not necessarily mean unfair.
                              Would you mind explaining this? I get the first part, but not the second.
                              Consider a triage situation where a medic arrives on the scene of a car accident and finds two people have injuries and need medical attention. The one paramedic/doctor has to split their time/effort/resources among the injured people. They will give more attention/effort/resources to the patient who is more seriously injured and needs their help more. That's an unequal distribution of resources, but a fair / moral one.

                              Similar situations apply with government welfare programs etc. Those in more serious need can be allocated more resources, and that's fair, because the allocation is need-based rather than equal-for-all-regardless-of-need.

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