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Atheism, Slavery, And The Moral High Ground...

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  • Originally posted by Tassman View Post

    Just noticed this nonsense.

    The “forces of nature” are NOT dictating moral ideals. Morality is a byproduct of evolution and arose as natural selection shaped humans into a highly social, cooperative species to enhance survival - self-preservation being a universal trait among all living creatures.

    What are you talking about - everything, including the desire to survive, societies, cooperation, moral ideals, etc...are created and determined by the forces of nature. There is nothing else in your world.
    Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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    • Originally posted by Machinist View Post

      There is still a disconnect. A leap has been made from the forces of nature to morality. I understand that you are saying they are a byproduct. Even so a leap has still been made and it is a disconnect.
      The disconnect is bridged by natural selection.

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      • Originally posted by seer View Post

        What are you talking about - everything, including the desire to survive, societies, cooperation, moral ideals, etc...are created and determined by the forces of nature. There is nothing else in your world.
        As opposed to “being determined by the forces” of an omniscient, omnipotent deity you mean?

        “The desire to survive, and cooperation and moral ideals, etc...” were NOT “created”. That would presuppose a “creator” with a purpose. But there’s no good evidence of such an entity.

        Conversely, there IS considerable evidence supporting ‘natural selection’ shaping humans (and other advanced species) into highly social, cooperative species adhering to ‘rules of behavior’ so as to enhance survival
        “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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        • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
          As opposed to “being determined by the forces” of an omniscient, omnipotent deity you mean?
          At least if we were determined by God we would be determined by a rational being, instead of the blind, non-rational forces of nature.
          Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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          • Originally posted by seer View Post

            At least if we were determined by God we would be determined by a rational being, instead of the blind, non-rational forces of nature.
            And that is what compels me. Thank you.

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            • Originally posted by seer View Post

              At least if we were determined by God we would be determined by a rational being, instead of the blind, non-rational forces of nature.
              And yet, of all species that have existed during the 4-billion-years of life on Earth, 99.9 percent are now extinct. Doesn’t seem very rational to me. Conversely, there IS considerable evidence supporting natural selection shaping humans into a highly social, cooperative species with self-imposed rules of morality. That is until we too perish as the 6th great extinction accelerates.
              “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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