"Again Stoic, emotions may or may not attend our sense of justice (I'm not sure why you have a problem with this).
And I have no problem appealing to our innate moral sense, nor did I ever say that emotional responses are illegitimate.
But I'm saying that not only isn't that all there is, but that it can not be the basis for universal moral truths.
Whether you believe in such truths or not.
And that perhaps these emotional responses give us an inkling of these eternal truths.
And that these emotions are not the driver or creator of said truths. Is that hard to understand?" -Seer
(Things begin to break down for me here. These inklings, do you mean insights, glimpses?)
"I understand that that's your belief."- Stoic
"So you understand why I don't believe that emotions create moral truths..." - Seer
(This is the part that lost me. What made you say the above? That is very confusing for me. )
"I understand why you don't believe that emotions create universal moral truths..." -Stoic
Does this argument attempt to prove God's existence, or just that the atheist does not have a logical basis for saying something is moral or immoral?
I think everyone would benefit from understanding this argument.
If anyone has any thoughts or comments, or would like to paraphrase what's going on here, I for one would greatly appreciate it!
And I have no problem appealing to our innate moral sense, nor did I ever say that emotional responses are illegitimate.
But I'm saying that not only isn't that all there is, but that it can not be the basis for universal moral truths.
Whether you believe in such truths or not.
And that perhaps these emotional responses give us an inkling of these eternal truths.
And that these emotions are not the driver or creator of said truths. Is that hard to understand?" -Seer
(Things begin to break down for me here. These inklings, do you mean insights, glimpses?)
"I understand that that's your belief."- Stoic
"So you understand why I don't believe that emotions create moral truths..." - Seer
(This is the part that lost me. What made you say the above? That is very confusing for me. )
"I understand why you don't believe that emotions create universal moral truths..." -Stoic
Does this argument attempt to prove God's existence, or just that the atheist does not have a logical basis for saying something is moral or immoral?
I think everyone would benefit from understanding this argument.
If anyone has any thoughts or comments, or would like to paraphrase what's going on here, I for one would greatly appreciate it!
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