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Atheism, Slavery, And The Moral High Ground...

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  • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
    Too busy digging scores of your own?
    From the person who wrote this:

    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
    Pilate never existed because we had no record of him. That Christian's simply concocted him out of whole cloth.
    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
    But here we have a governor that we didn't have a scrap of documentation about outside of Christian sources.
    Both statements show that you appear blissfully unaware of the fact that both Philo of Alexandria and Josephus refer to Pilate in some detail.
    We also have coins issued under his governorship and these items were discovered before the inscription at Caesarea was revealed in 1961.


    "It ain't necessarily so
    The things that you're liable
    To read in the Bible
    It ain't necessarily so
    ."

    Sportin' Life
    Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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    • In response to Stoic's last post:

      Interesting. As far as I can tell though, no emotions were involved when I said that what Mao did was immoral. I don't even know that history well.

      It's like saying the equation 2+2=5 is wrong.

      Now of course, those who raised me could have conditioned me through their emotional inputs to make my sense of moral logic that particular way. I think this is what you are driving at, and it is an interesting perspective.

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      • Originally posted by Machinist View Post

        Please?
        "It ain't necessarily so
        The things that you're liable
        To read in the Bible
        It ain't necessarily so
        ."

        Sportin' Life
        Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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        • Originally posted by seer View Post

          Well you made an unsubstantiated claim that you can not back up.
          No I referred to the indifferent and impartial universe.
          "It ain't necessarily so
          The things that you're liable
          To read in the Bible
          It ain't necessarily so
          ."

          Sportin' Life
          Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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          • Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

            Yeah seriously. You've got a good handle on prose and I would like to hear a dialogue between you and Seer on this subject.

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            • Originally posted by Machinist View Post

              Yeah seriously. You've got a good handle on prose and I would like to hear a dialogue between you and Seer on this subject.
              Thank you for the kind words but I have attempted to engage with seer on this topic in a previous thread. It was tortuous. Furthermore, if I recall correctly, my correspondent was less than willing to define the concept of deity as he understood it.

              You can trawl through this thread if you've a mind to do so!

              https://theologyweb.com/campus/forum...14#post1243236
              "It ain't necessarily so
              The things that you're liable
              To read in the Bible
              It ain't necessarily so
              ."

              Sportin' Life
              Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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              • Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                No I referred to the indifferent and impartial universe.
                No you claimed to be a rationalist. As opposed to us who believed in God. Like theists can not be rational.
                Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                • Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                  It was tortuous.
                  Agreed!
                  Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                  • Originally posted by seer View Post

                    No you claimed to be a rationalist. As opposed to us who believed in God. Like theists can not be rational.
                    I am a rationalist in that I do not believe in anthropomorphic entities. Some theists can be rational, however, alas not all.
                    "It ain't necessarily so
                    The things that you're liable
                    To read in the Bible
                    It ain't necessarily so
                    ."

                    Sportin' Life
                    Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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                    • Originally posted by Stoic View Post
                      And I disagree.

                      I think you said it well here:

                      "A Mao murders millions and dies old, fat and happy. No justice for his acts, or even any possibility for his reclamation. If that does not offend yours, or our, sense justice I would suggest that such person is morally stunted."

                      What is it to be offended, if not to have an emotional reaction?


                      Are we discovering universal moral truths, though?
                      Again Stoic, emotions may or may not attend our sense of justice (I'm not sure why you have a problem with this). And I have no problem appealing to our innate moral sense, nor did I ever say that emotional responses are illegitimate. But I'm saying that not only isn't that all there is, but that it can not be the basis for universal moral truths. Whether you believe in such truths or not. And that perhaps these emotional responses give us an inkling of these eternal truths. And that these emotions are not the driver or creator of said truths. Is that hard to understand?
                      Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                      • Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                        I am a rationalist in that I do not believe in anthropomorphic entities. Some theists can be rational, however, alas not all.
                        Thanks for throwing us a bone...

                        Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                        • Originally posted by seer View Post

                          Thanks for throwing us a bone...
                          To some.
                          "It ain't necessarily so
                          The things that you're liable
                          To read in the Bible
                          It ain't necessarily so
                          ."

                          Sportin' Life
                          Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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                          • Originally posted by seer View Post
                            Again Stoic, emotions may or may not attend our sense of justice (I'm not sure why you have a problem with this). And I have no problem appealing to our innate moral sense, nor did I ever say that emotional responses are illegitimate. But I'm saying that not only isn't that all there is, but that it can not be the basis for universal moral truths. Whether you believe in such truths or not. And that perhaps these emotional responses give us an inkling of these eternal truths. And that these emotions are not the driver or creator of said truths. Is that hard to understand?
                            I understand that that's your belief.

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                            • Originally posted by Stoic View Post

                              I understand that that's your belief.
                              So you understand why I don't believe that emotions create moral truths...
                              Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                              • Originally posted by seer View Post

                                So you understand why I don't believe that emotions create moral truths...
                                I understand why you don't believe that emotions create universal moral truths...

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