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Atheism, Slavery, And The Moral High Ground...
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Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostMy feelings make no difference. But I do believe that logically universal moral truths make more sense than moral relativism.
But I don't see a cogent logical argument for the existence of universal moral truths.
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Originally posted by Stoic View Post
I'm sure that you would "feel bad" if you found that there were no universal moral truths.
But I don't see a cogent logical argument for the existence of universal moral truths.
Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostNot hard to do if you start with an immutably moral Creator. But an atheist would not accept the first premise.
If you are allowed to start with arbitrary premises, atheists can provide rational grounds just as easily as theists.
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Originally posted by Stoic View PostExactly. If you're going to provide rational grounds for objecting to slavery, you have to start with premises that everyone can accept.
If you are allowed to start with arbitrary premises, atheists can provide rational grounds just as easily as theists.Last edited by seer; 05-12-2021, 06:56 PM.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Juvenal View Post
The standard for any objective morality is that it has to work for everyone.
Tautological fallacy.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by seer View PostNo, it doesn't work that way. The point is one can make a deductive argument for universal moral truths if one starts with a moral creator. And any one can reject any premise - so universal acceptance isn't that easy, or necessary.
I can get to moral universals with God can you get there without God?
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Originally posted by seer View PostI see no good rational objections from atheists. Emotional response, yes.
Or is this just an emotional response on your part?"I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Stoic View Post
Yes, but you would disagree with one or more of my premises.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostI gave you a rational objection not an emotional one. Do you legit not actually understand the difference?
Or is this just an emotional response on your part?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Sparko View Postplaying devil's advocate: How was making criminals and POWs into slaves in the ancient world any different than us putting them into prisons and using their labor today?
2) Prison terms are (usually) limited.
Edited to add: Actually, point (1) may be wrong - I'm assuming prisoners are paid based on various sources, but it may not be true, or may not be universal. I hope it is that case that prisoners in the US are paid for their labour, preferably with more than just food and board.Last edited by Roy; 05-13-2021, 08:42 AM.Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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Originally posted by Machinist View Post
How is this not an arbitrary starting point?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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