Pointing to the allowance of slavery in the Old Testament, especially, seems to engender a sense of moral superiority in some atheists. An emotional objection I understand. But on what rational grounds do they object?
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Atheism, Slavery, And The Moral High Ground...
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Atheism, Slavery, And The Moral High Ground...
Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
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Generally I think you'd find Christians and atheists today in agreement that perhaps the worst types of moral evil are genocide, slavery and torture.
God in the bible commands multiple genocides rather than condemns it, gives sets of law to the Israelites that endorse slavery, and generally says nothing to condemn torture.
Therefore, in terms of being a handbook for morality, the Bible falls on its face at step one. It fails to condemn the really majorly evil things, and instead tends to endorse them.
Slavery is hence viewed by atheists as a basic example of the Bible's immorality. Similarly the history of Christians endorsing and fighting for slavery is viewed in the same light."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostGenerally I think you'd find Christians and atheists today in agreement that perhaps the worst types of moral evil are genocide, slavery and torture.
God in the bible commands multiple genocides rather than condemns it, gives sets of law to the Israelites that endorse slavery, and generally says nothing to condemn torture.
Therefore, in terms of being a handbook for morality, the Bible falls on its face at step one. It fails to condemn the really majorly evil things, and instead tends to endorse them.
Slavery is hence viewed by atheists as a basic example of the Bible's immorality. Similarly the history of Christians endorsing and fighting for slavery is viewed in the same light.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostGenocide was directed towards seriously wicked peoples who often were sacrificing their own children.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by seer View PostPointing to the allowance of slavery in the Old Testament, especially, seems to engender a sense of moral superiority in some atheists. An emotional objection I understand. But on what rational grounds do they object?
It's almost like they think it's rational, but may not rational.
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Originally posted by Machinist View Post
Just throwing this out here, but maybe it's rational in the way they think is rational?
It's almost like they think it's rational, but may not rational.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
The problem is that there is no logically sound way to get from the premise "atheism is true" to "therefore, we ought not practice slavery".
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
The problem is that there is no logically sound way to get from the premise "atheism is true" to "therefore, we ought not practice slavery".
No religion or lack thereof is needed.
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Originally posted by seer View PostPointing to the allowance of slavery in the Old Testament, especially, seems to engender a sense of moral superiority in some atheists. An emotional objection I understand. But on what rational grounds do they object?
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If genocide is "morally evil" in an *absolute* sense, then God was evil the few times He commanded it. I don't agree that God is evil. I am thus left to conclude that genocide is NOT morally evil, in any intrinsic and absolute sense.
Likewise, if torture is intrinsically and absolutely evil, then God was evil for endorsing beatings and mutilation as punishments. I don't agree that God is evil. I am thus left to conclude that torture is NOT morally evil in any intrinsic and absolute sense.
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Originally posted by Juvenal View Post
"I don't want to be a slave" therefore "We ought not practice slavery."
No religion or lack thereof is needed.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Stoic View Post
I don't need rational grounds. Empathy is sufficient.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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