Atheism, Slavery, And The Moral High Ground...

[rogue06]

You are confusing repressive totalitarian regimes with democracies that have elected governments providing secure welfare safety nets. There is NO reason to assume that established democracies such as Canada, Australia, NZ and the Scandinavian countries etc. are endeavoring to create slave-owning societies of the sort we saw in the Christian United States for so many centuries.

You are confusing states where the far left has to share power and therefore behave, with countries where the far left has seized total control.

When they achieve their goal of total control then the masks come off and in every case we see forced labor camps start sprouting up

Face it. When given a chance y'all just have an infatuation with having slaves doing your bidding. You can bleat all you want about what things were like a quarter of a millennia ago (btw, care to bet that atheists owned slaves like everyone else then?) but that does not change the irrefutable fact that today, well into the 21st century leftists still keep slaves.

[rogue06]

Yes. Lenin was originally inspired by socialism, but then chose to write his own political system from the ground up.

Think of it being like Muhammed inventing Islam, after having been exposed to Judaism and Christianity.

If someone said to you "It's obvious Christianity is terrible, because Muhammed did bad things and his teachings led to bad stuff, and so basically it was Christianity that did 9/11!" you'd laugh at them, because the religion Muhammed invented was his own invention, not a direct product of the Christianity he'd previously been exposed to.

When Rogue equates socialism with Lenin's own inventions, I laugh at Rogue for that same reason.

Back to the old pathetic leftist saw that communism works just fine, except in every instance it has been tried.

[Machinist]

Back to the old pathetic leftist saw that communism works just fine, except in every instance it has been tried.

Very interesting. I've heard this before. That socialism/communism, etc. has already been tried and proven to not work.

My question is has it been tried on a 5G networked world? What role does the technological infrastructure play in shaping the reality that the software of communism/socialism will then be executed?

[Machinist]

No, NOT a difference in kind between apes except that the higher intelligence of the human ape enables us to codify our evolved common instincts into a formal moral system - something which is beyond the capacity of our simian cousins. Tassman

Yet, we are the only creature that can and has escaped instinctual behaviors-Seer

Are we the only creature that has escaped instinctual behavior? What about that Gorilla that could use sign language? Surely there has been times in that Gorillas life where she felt some kind of rightness/wrongness...a sense of morality, no? I mean, who's to say that animals don't have their own evolved moral code that's operating imperceptible to humans? Yall know what i'm saying?

[seer]

Are we the only creature that has escaped instinctual behavior? What about that Gorilla that could use sign language? Surely there has been times in that Gorillas life where she felt some kind of rightness/wrongness...a sense of morality, no? I mean, who's to say that animals don't have their own evolved moral code that's operating imperceptible to humans? Yall know what i'm saying?

I see no reason to believe that apes do anything that is not instinctual or that they think conceptually.

[Machinist]

I see no reason to believe that apes do anything that is not instinctual or that they think conceptually.

No level of concept?

[seer]

No level of concept?

There is a saying - "art is the signature of man." That is a quantum leap, it shows that man can not only conceptualize but can act on these concepts. When monkeys in the wild start doing primitive art or writing I will change my view.

[Stoic]

There is a saying - "art is the signature of man." That is a quantum leap, it shows that man can not only conceptualize but can act on these concepts. When monkeys in the wild start doing primitive art or writing I will change my view.

I wonder why you specify "in the wild".

Would humans in the wild do any primitive art or writing? I sincerely doubt it. Those are things most of us have to be taught.

[Machinist]

I wonder why you specify "in the wild".

Would humans in the wild do any primitive art or writing? I sincerely doubt it. Those are things most of us have to be taught.

On an island of feral humans, I would guess that in no time, some type of language and sign system would develop. Do you not see it that way?

[Stoic]

On an island of feral humans, I would guess that in no time, some type of language and sign system would develop. Do you not see it that way?

I seriously doubt it. I expect that feral humans would communicate pretty much like other primates.

Unfortunately, the only way to be sure would be with an experiment that would be frowned upon.

But there have been cases from which we can gain some insight.

[seer]

I wonder why you specify "in the wild".

Would humans in the wild do any primitive art or writing? I sincerely doubt it. Those are things most of us have to be taught.

Except it was humans who invented art and writing - in the wild. And from what I have read, you have primitive art and writing springing up on different continents with no clear connection between them.

[Stoic]

Except it was humans who invented art and writing - in the wild. And from what I have read, you have primitive art and writing springing up on different continents with no clear connection between them.

Yeah, given enough generations, you can expect it to happen.

[seer]

Yeah, given enough generations, you can expect it to happen.

I have no idea what that means. Expect what to happen? And should we expect the same thing from primates?

[rogue06]

Very interesting. I've heard this before. That socialism/communism, etc. has already been tried and proven to not work.

My question is has it been tried on a 5G networked world? What role does the technological infrastructure play in shaping the reality that the software of communism/socialism will then be executed?

The unacknowledged point that someone on the far left concedes is that by saying something along the lines of that communism will work, but just not whenever it has been tried, they are effectively admitting that communism doesn't work when communists implement it.

That being the case, the issue isn't, so to speak, the software

[Machinist]

The unacknowledged point that someone on the far left concedes is that by saying something along the lines of that communism will work, but just not whenever it has been tried, they are effectively admitting that communism doesn't work when communists implement it.

That being the case, the issue isn't, so to speak, the software

A riddle. I love riddles.

That is very complicated what you said.