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Originally posted by seer View Post
You floated this nonsense before. You don't think there were those around who were fluid in both languages? Translators? It is not possible for anyone in Pilate's circle (like his wife) who were sympathetic to the early Christians who could have shared the exchange?Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by seer View Post
You floated this nonsense before. You don't think there were those around who were fluid in both languages?
Originally posted by seer View PostTranslators?
Originally posted by seer View PostIt is not possible for anyone in Pilate's circle (like his wife) who were sympathetic to the early Christians who could have shared the exchange?"It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
Not Jewish peasants from a Galilean village.
There would certainly have had to be a translator yet not one gospel account mentions that individual.
We do not even know if Pilate was married. And more to the point, why would his wife be with him?
Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
The most obvious source for the details about Jesus' conversation with Pilate is Jesus is himself.
Then if so, why does Jesus give different accounts?
Mark:- Jesus before Pilate.
- Pilate: Are you the king of the Jews?
- Jesus: You say so.
- Accused by Chief Priests.
- No answer by Jesus
- Pilate astonished.
Matthew as Mark, except that Pilate was “greatly” astonished.
Luke:- Chief Priests charge Jesus.
- Pilate: I find no crime in him.
- Chief Priests: Trouble maker from Galilee to Jerusalem.
John:- Before Pilate early on the eve of Passover (not after Passover as in the Synoptics).
- Pilate: What is the charge?
- Pilate: You judge him.
- Jews: We cannot execute.
- Pilate: Are you king of the Jews?
- Jesus: A kingdom not of the world
"It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
Really? Are you contending there was some kind of resurrection information exchange?
Then if so, why does Jesus give different accounts?
Mark:- Jesus before Pilate.
- Pilate: Are you the king of the Jews?
- Jesus: You say so.
- Accused by Chief Priests.
- No answer by Jesus
- Pilate astonished.
Matthew as Mark, except that Pilate was “greatly” astonished.
Luke:- Chief Priests charge Jesus.
- Pilate: I find no crime in him.
- Chief Priests: Trouble maker from Galilee to Jerusalem.
John:- Before Pilate early on the eve of Passover (not after Passover as in the Synoptics).
- Pilate: What is the charge?
- Pilate: You judge him.
- Jews: We cannot execute.
- Pilate: Are you king of the Jews?
- Jesus: A kingdom not of the world
Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
As for your supposed "contradictions", they are trivial to resolve and any number of essays and books have done so, which I will leave to the sincere seeker to find on his own since they are numerous and readily available through a simple internet search query. I will, however, note that what is commonly regarded as supposed "contradictions" in the Bible are generally down to differences in writing conventions where ancient writers did not write with the same precision as is often demanded today, and so they used what we might consider unconventional methods such as reordering events thematically rather than chronologically, compressing multiple events into a single narrative, paraphrasing, approximating, and so on. As the Chicago Statement on Biblical Inerrancy says, "When total precision of a particular kind was not expected nor aimed at, it is no error not to have achieved it. "Last edited by Hypatia_Alexandria; 05-11-2021, 12:38 PM."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
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Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by seer View Post
So what? The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence...
Originally posted by seer View Post
Well that is what the Gospel of Matthew tells us. Do you have any other source to back up your claims?
"It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
Just admit it MM you cannot explain these contradictions. Don't worry. Your secret is safe with me!Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
As for your supposed "contradictions", they are trivial to resolve and any number of essays and books have done so, which I will leave to the sincere seeker to find on his own since they are numerous and readily available through a simple internet search query. I will, however, note that what is commonly regarded as supposed "contradictions" in the Bible are generally down to differences in writing conventions where ancient writers did not write with the same precision as is often demanded today, and so they used what we might consider unconventional methods such as reordering events thematically rather than chronologically, compressing multiple events into a single narrative, paraphrasing, approximating, and so on. As the Chicago Statement on Biblical Inerrancy says, "When total precision of a particular kind was not expected nor aimed at, it is no error not to have achieved it. "
"It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostWell by that logic there was a conjurer and balloons at the last supper.
No other gospel does. What sources? We know very little about Pontius Pilate as a historical figure. However, I ask again, why do you imagine his wife [as Matthew tells us] would have been with him?
Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
I think your stylus has got stuck.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by seer View Post
The point is you have no logical argument otherwise. Translators certainly would have been around.
However, you are employing the fallacy "The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence..." Which leaves it equally possible [because the evidence is absent] that they had a conjurer and balloons at the last supper
Originally posted by seer View Post
Again, you have no logical basis to counter what is in Matthew.Last edited by Hypatia_Alexandria; 05-11-2021, 01:05 PM."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
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Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
I think you don't have a response to the fact that your supposed "contradictions" are much ado about nothing."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
I have responded to it. You just choose to ignore my replies because you cannot explain the inherent contradictions within the various gospel texts.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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