Does God approve of mistreating slaves?

[Roy]

There are obviously a number of ways that one might become a slave, but according to Old Testament law, it was explicitly forbidden to force someone into servitude against their will under penalty of death.

Sorry, could you point out where it says that fathers can sell their daughters into slavery against the daughter's will?

I'd ask you where it is explicitly forbidden for a father to sell his daughter into slavery against their will, but we both know it doesn't.

(I hope this ends the slavery derail).

[rogue06]

end? more like started it anew

[Mountain Man]

I'd ask you where it is explicitly forbidden for a father to sell his daughter into slavery against their will, but we both know it doesn't.

(I hope this ends the slavery derail).

Scripture Verse: Exodus 21:16

Whoever steals a man and sells him, and anyone found in possession of him, shall be put to death.

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(Derail is continued here.)

[NorrinRadd]

Why has no one mentioned the New Covenant teachings?

[Christianbookworm]

Feels like terms need to be defined. And why did they not have words for employee or apprentice or adoption?

[Mountain Man]

Why has no one mentioned the New Covenant teachings?

You think a discussion about the Old Covenant versus the New Covenant will make a dent in the ignorant minds of people who can't even seem to understand what the Bible really says about slavery?

[Christianbookworm]

Or the difference between chattel slavery and the slavery practiced in the ANE? If someone trades their labor for goods and services voluntarily, is that slavery or employment? Not to memtion they were a group oriented culture. Individual oriented cultures are the rare ones. Don't be a bigot about other cultures. It wasn't sex slavery or field slavery.

[rogue06]

Bollocks.

Every liberal I've ever seen commenting on the subject has agreed that the Israelites and the American colonies both had both indentured servitude and chattel slavery. American indentured servitude was akin to OT indentured servitude, and American slavery was akin to OT slavery. Indentured servitude doesn't count as slavery because it isn't slavery, and I've never seen anyone say that it did.

You really should find out if your arguments are before posting them

But Biblical slavery, which provided more protections for those involved than even indentured servitude did, is equated to chattel slavery by those on the left and scoffers all the time. Go figure.

[rogue06]

Then according to scripture, slavery is still permitted.

The Bible tells you how you should act if you own slaves. The last time I looked there are still an awful lot of slavery in the world so such instructions are needed -- although, interestingly, not in the West.

I wonder why.

Paul's instructions require that you TREAT your slave like a brother in Christ. So instead of just saying "Abolish slavery!" in a society that would at best ignore you and likely prosecute you for fermenting a slave revolt, he, very cleverly I add, focused on treatment. It was from this acorn that eventually the Abolitionist movement grew and why there is no slavery in the "Christian west" while it is still rampant in Muslim countries, as well as far left secular "people's paradises."

[Roy]

But Biblical slavery, which provided more protections for those involved than even indentured servitude did, is equated to chattel slavery by those on the left and scoffers all the time. Go figure.

Because it is chattel slavery. Slaves being purchased, being treated as permanent possessions, and being bequeathed is chattel slavery. Protections against mistreatment don't affect that, any more than laws about how you drive mean you don't own your car.

[rogue06]

Because it is chattel slavery. Slaves being purchased, being treated as permanent possessions, and being bequeathed is chattel slavery. Protections against mistreatment don't affect that, any more than laws about how you drive mean you don't own your car.

Permanent possessions? Are you familiar with the Jubilee? And an indentured servant most certainly could be "bequeathed" if their owner died. The debt didn't magically disappear. Moreover, FWIU, the debt of an indentured servant could be sold to someone else, and guess what went along with the debt. The one who owed it.

[Roy]

Permanent possessions? Are you familiar with the Jubilee?

Yes. It applied only to Hebrews, not to foreign slaves.

[rogue06]

Yes. It applied only to Hebrews, not to foreign slaves.

My understanding is that Hebrew slaves were released every seven years, whereas everyone else (typically P.O.W.s who accepted servitude over death) were freed during the actual Jubilee.

[Roy]

I'd ask you where it is explicitly forbidden for a father to sell his daughter into slavery against their will, but we both know it doesn't.

Scripture Verse: Exodus 21:16

Whoever steals a man and sells him, and anyone found in possession of him, shall be put to death.

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Anyone feel like explaining to MM the difference between men and girls?

[rogue06]

Anyone feel like explaining to MM the difference between men and girls?

Right after the left finally figures it out

[Mountain Man]

Or the difference between chattel slavery and the slavery practiced in the ANE? If someone trades their labor for goods and services voluntarily, is that slavery or employment? Not to memtion they were a group oriented culture. Individual oriented cultures are the rare ones. Don't be a bigot about other cultures. It wasn't sex slavery or field slavery.

Ironically, the essentials of indentured servitude which skeptics decry as immoral still exists today in the form of credit, where you receive money upfront, and a portion of your economic output belongs to the lender until the loan is paid in full with often harsh penalties if you are unable to meet your obligations.