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Early propaganda war between Christians and pagans?
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostNot sure this goes here so if it needs moving please do so (or let me know and I'll handle it).
A new book,The Innocence of Pontius Pilate: How the Roman Trial of Jesus Shaped History by a David Lloyd Dusenbury, a research fellow at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem and author, will be released next week about what Dusenbury claims was an intense "propaganda war" waged between Christians and pagans in the years from 290 and 313 A.D., over the hearts and minds of Romans at the time.
Given that he is claiming it is all new information it is pretty hard to make any sort of determinization as to its credibility. I mean this could be the opening of a new chapter or just grossly exaggeration the scope of something that was inconsequential.
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Maybe this is the sorta fella Apologiaphoenix (Nick) could interview for a podcast
Given that it is much easier to make a name for oneself by finding something new than masterfully synthesizing what is known, consider me skeptical.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostSelf-loathing?
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostYeah. You have problems engaging in interlocutions with virtually everybody wherever you go because you're so smart and everyone hates you for it.
Whatever helps you sleep I guess
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
Oh I forgot there is tendency here to dislike them wot's read a book. However, when I use a source, I give the citation..
Whatever helps you sleep I guess
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostWhich is why I specifically stated "looked like"
Originally posted by rogue06 View PostIronic considering how several posters have used that exact description for you. Projection?
Originally posted by rogue06 View PostSarah Pinborough's fictional character?
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostYour last sentence is pure speculation.
Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostAs for you not knowing anything about Dusenbury I thought you were the Googler par excellence!
Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostPerhaps we should wait and see if Dr Bond later reviews it, and if so, what she thinks.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostI've got a lot of questions about this knowing nothing about Dusenbury.
The article was essentially a promotion for the book. While it isn't uncommon for a paper to interview an author about an upcoming book, but when they do rarely is it such a one-sided puff piece. Typically, for a work like this there will be some balance by bringing up questions or the opinion of those who disagree or are at least skeptical. This looked like Dusenbury wrote the article himself and gave it to Keys.
As for you not knowing anything about Dusenbury I thought you were the Googler par excellence!
Perhaps we should wait and see if Dr Bond later reviews it, and if so, what she thinks.
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
Firstly, David Keys [the Independent journalist] is not a specialist in this particular field.
Secondly, Dusenbury is not "claiming it is all new information". According to Keys' article he is reassessing ancient sources on both sides and offering a new interpretation on how these have influenced later secular society and legal matters.
On the Amazon review page these comments appear;
"A fascinating treatment of how interpretations of the trial of Jesus have greatly informed Western understanding of law, of religion and of the secular.-- John Milbank, Emeritus Professor of Theology and Religious Studies, University of Nottingham
"A quite exceptional study, showing in exemplary detail how the narrative of Jesus' trial generates an entirely new vision of the politics of human power and divine justice, and of the very nature of law. A unique contribution to political theology and biblical interpretation--learned, impassioned and nuanced -- Rowan Williams, former Archbishop of Canterbury."
Thirdly, and perhaps most important of all, I suggest we await publication, read the book, and then offer our opinions on Dusenbury's contribution.
The article was essentially a promotion for the book. While it isn't uncommon for a paper to interview an author about an upcoming book, but when they do rarely is it such a one-sided puff piece. Typically, for a work like this there will be some balance by bringing up questions or the opinion of those who disagree or are at least skeptical. This looked like Dusenbury wrote the article himself and gave it to Keys.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostNot sure this goes here so if it needs moving please do so (or let me know and I'll handle it).
A new book,The Innocence of Pontius Pilate: How the Roman Trial of Jesus Shaped History by a David Lloyd Dusenbury, a research fellow at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem and author, will be released next week about what Dusenbury claims was an intense "propaganda war" waged between Christians and pagans in the years from 290 and 313 A.D., over the hearts and minds of Romans at the time.
Given that he is claiming it is all new information it is pretty hard to make any sort of determinization as to its credibility. I mean this could be the opening of a new chapter or just grossly exaggeration the scope of something that was inconsequential.
Secondly, Dusenbury is not "claiming it is all new information". According to Keys' article he is reassessing ancient sources on both sides and offering a new interpretation on how these have influenced later secular society and legal matters.
On the Amazon review page these comments appear;
"A fascinating treatment of how interpretations of the trial of Jesus have greatly informed Western understanding of law, of religion and of the secular.-- John Milbank, Emeritus Professor of Theology and Religious Studies, University of Nottingham
"A quite exceptional study, showing in exemplary detail how the narrative of Jesus' trial generates an entirely new vision of the politics of human power and divine justice, and of the very nature of law. A unique contribution to political theology and biblical interpretation--learned, impassioned and nuanced -- Rowan Williams, former Archbishop of Canterbury."
Thirdly, and perhaps most important of all, I suggest we await publication, read the book, and then offer our opinions on Dusenbury's contribution.
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Early propaganda war between Christians and pagans?
Not sure this goes here so if it needs moving please do so (or let me know and I'll handle it).
A new book,The Innocence of Pontius Pilate: How the Roman Trial of Jesus Shaped History by a David Lloyd Dusenbury, a research fellow at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem and author, will be released next week about what Dusenbury claims was an intense "propaganda war" waged between Christians and pagans in the years from 290 and 313 A.D., over the hearts and minds of Romans at the time.
Given that he is claiming it is all new information it is pretty hard to make any sort of determinization as to its credibility. I mean this could be the opening of a new chapter or just grossly exaggeration the scope of something that was inconsequential.
Maybe this is the sorta fella Apologiaphoenix (Nick) could interview for a podcast
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