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Early propaganda war between Christians and pagans?
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Disregard.
For whatever reason I looked up Plotinus.
I guess, being I just read some stuff about him and Neoplatonism the other day, I must have had him on the brain or something.
So yeah, I was initially correct in noting that he was active during part of the period in question (290 and 313 A.D), so it is unusual that he doesn't even get a nod -- at least in the article.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostYou'd think in the list of "most important anti-Christian writers" he'd be at the top. As far as I recall he easily got the most attention from Christian writers in response."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
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Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
Do not forget Celsus.Last edited by rogue06; 04-20-2021, 01:40 PM.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostNow Celsus was definitely well before the 290 and 313 A.D, although his influence cannot be denied in that Origen's rebuttal of the formers treatise was around 70 years later it came out and yet Origen still chose to address it directly to Celsus himself by titling it Contra Celsus."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
Please cease this mansplaining. I have no idea whom you are trying to impress.
Your ego seems to demand that you believe folks feel a need to impress you. Believe me, I have seen absolutely nothing whatsoever that would in anyway cause me to want to impress you.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
Do not forget Celsus.
Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostThe article makes it clear that the period under discussion was from 290 and 313 A.D but for some strange reason you felt it necessary to insert a mention of Celsus who wrote around 170 A.D.
"It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostI have a copy of Wilken's The Christians as the Romans Saw Them, which is probably a better overview of the topic than the book under discussion."It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View PostThe author is looking at the late third and early fourth centuries as the period of propaganda. Do you imagine that earlier anti-Christian texts were somehow ignored because they were too old and out of date? The work also deals with the sermon by Augustine of Hippo who was not born until 354 CE.
Looks like you needed all of this mansplained to you after all
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostThe singular naughty swine and I were discussing anti-Christian polemists who would have been current and active during the period the author describes as the "propaganda war" which and dates as having "occurred between roughly AD290 and 313." Hence the discussion concerning the apparent exclusion of Porphyry.
Looks like you needed all of this mansplained to you after all"It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
Your rambling discussions have no bearing on the work as neither of you appear to have read it yet.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostThe one work hasn't been released
Read it and then offer your remarks.
Nor do we have Celsus in "snippets" as you contend.
Origen abbreviates and omits passages of his opponent's work with some regularity but that notwithstanding a majority of scholars would put the percentage of Celsus work made accessible by Origen at around seventy percent. [see R. Joseph Hoffmann, Celsus on the True Doctrine: A Discourse Against the Christians.
"It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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