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  • I wasn't claiming a Christian apologist never debates atheists!

    I was pointing out he never dives into the details of any atheist moral theories and discusses them specifically. Interaction with any (and ideally all) specific actual labelled atheistic moral theories is what I am after. He seems to prefer to stay at the 10,000 foot level and just talk about the idea of atheist moral views rather than any specific ones. As a result he seems to feel free to make false claims about them not having any, claims that would be obviously false to his audience if he were dealing with any specific moral theories.

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    • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
      I wasn't claiming a Christian apologist never debates atheists!

      I was pointing out he never dives into the details of any atheist moral theories and discusses them specifically. Interaction with any (and ideally all) specific actual labelled atheistic moral theories is what I am after. He seems to prefer to stay at the 10,000 foot level and just talk about the idea of atheist moral views rather than any specific ones. As a result he seems to feel free to make false claims about them not having any, claims that would be obviously false to his audience if he were dealing with any specific moral theories.
      The atheists he is debating have their theories, sheesh...

      Go back to the debate I linked with Erik Wielenberg who is a moral realist..

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iVyVJAMiOY

      And here are some short answers from his mail bag...

      448 Consequentialism and the Problem of Evil

      https://www.reasonablefaith.org/writ...oblem-of-evil/

      379 Anti-Platonism and Moral Realism

      https://www.reasonablefaith.org/writ...moral-realism/

      437 Nominalism and Natural Law

      https://www.reasonablefaith.org/writ...d-natural-law/

      #589 Moral Knowledge and God’s Existence

      https://www.reasonablefaith.org/writ...ods-existence/


      Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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      • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

        Bingo. If atheism is true, then nobody is morally obligated to do anything. It's all just a matter of personal preference, and if someone chooses to flout the preferences of society then he has not actually done anything immoral.
        Morality is basically a question of socially acceptable behavior as adjudged by the community in which we are based and which is necessary to our survival as a social species. It’s – it’s NOT just “personal preference”.

        As for our moral obligation to God, it's not merely because he is able to hold us accountable but because of who and what he is.
        In short, the very same reasons we are accountable to the community in which we reside and accept its authority regarding community values and law enforcement.
        “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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        • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post


          While some men did use a distortion of scripture to justify certain practices, many others have interpreted the Bible correctly and fought to abolish such things.
          Who decides what constituted the “distortion of scripture” which resulted in 400 years of slavery, colonial invasions and land-grabs, the destruction of indigenous cultures, the limited role of women in society etc. etc. etc.? Were the Christians of that period willfully disobeying scripture - and how do you know you’ve got it right now – especially given that Christians had it wrong for so long?
          “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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          • Originally posted by seer View Post
            I find it curious that human beings seem to be the only creatures that are at war with their natural inclinations. We are constantly trying to control our appetites and impulses. I suspect that the higher primates are perfectly at home with their instincts and cravings, unitary and uniform. Humans on the other hand seem to be bifurcated. Trying to dominate and control these very natural passions and stimuli... In a real sense - a state of war exists between the rational and the animal nature.

            I'm always still in trouble again

            "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
            "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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