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  • Racism, Perfectly Normal?

    "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights..."

    Since I believe that all men are God's image bearers and have a transcendent worth that is not dependent (as I said in the past) on varying social constructs, I can logically conclude that racism is evil. We are all, in one sense, God's offspring. But on what basis does the atheist condemn racism? Isn't racism merely tribalism and tribalism a natural outcome of the evolutionary process? In other words - biologically normal?
    Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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    Originally posted by seer View Post
    "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights..."

    Since I believe that all men are God's image bearers and have a transcendent worth that is not dependent (as I said in the past) on varying social constructs, I can logically conclude that racism is evil.
    Good for you.
    "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful" Attrib. Seneca 4 BCE - 65 CE

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

      Good for you.
      But on what basis does the atheist condemn racism? Isn't racism merely tribalism and tribalism a natural outcome of the evolutionary process? In other words - biologically normal?
      Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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      • #4
        Originally posted by seer View Post

        But on what basis does the atheist condemn racism? Isn't racism merely tribalism and tribalism a natural outcome of the evolutionary process? In other words - biologically normal?
        On what evidence are you suggesting racism is "a natural outcome of the evolutionary process"?

        "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful" Attrib. Seneca 4 BCE - 65 CE

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

          On what evidence are you suggesting racism is "a natural outcome of the evolutionary process"?
          Isn't everything in biology?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Sparko View Post

            Isn't everything in biology?
            Is racism an evolutionary trait? Where is the evidence?
            "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful" Attrib. Seneca 4 BCE - 65 CE

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

              On what evidence are you suggesting racism is "a natural outcome of the evolutionary process"?
              Is there anything unnatural? Where?

              Roots of Racism:

              Racial prejudice apparently stems from deep evolutionary roots and a universal tendency to form coalitions and favor our own side...

              https://science.sciencemag.org/conte...83/825.summary

              https://science.sciencemag.org/content/336/6083/825.full
              Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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              • #8
                Originally posted by seer View Post

                Is there anything unnatural? Where?
                That is not what I asked.

                The short answer is that pejorative and demeaning attitudes towards other human beings who happen to be of a different skin tone appear to be learned behaviours. They cannot be demonstrated to be innate.
                "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful" Attrib. Seneca 4 BCE - 65 CE

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                  That is not what I asked.

                  The short answer is that pejorative and demeaning attitudes towards other human beings who happen to be of a different skin tone appear to be learned behaviours. They cannot be demonstrated to be innate.
                  Well that is not what the study I linked suggested. Racism is tied to tribalism which is innate. And how are "learned behaviors" not natural? What makes them unnatural?
                  Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by seer View Post

                    Well that is not what the study I linked suggested. Racism is tied to tribalism which is innate. And how are "learned behaviors" not natural? What makes them unnatural?
                    Oh you are funny. In your opinion one study equals the de facto conclusion - end of story.
                    "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful" Attrib. Seneca 4 BCE - 65 CE

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                      Oh you are funny. In your opinion one study equals the de facto conclusion - end of story.
                      Actually there are more if you want to search. But the greater question is - on what logical basis does the atheist condemn racism. And what in this picture is unnatural?
                      Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by seer View Post

                        Actually there are more if you want to search. But the greater question is - on what logical basis does the atheist condemn racism. And what in this picture is unnatural?
                        It is not a "greater question" at all.

                        That you seem to think that, is an altogether different matter.
                        "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful" Attrib. Seneca 4 BCE - 65 CE

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                          It is not a "greater question" at all.

                          That you seem to think that, is an altogether different matter.
                          Ok, go away...
                          Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                          • #14
                            To answer with respect to my recent thread on moral foundations, I'll note that racism comes from one of the three widespread moral ideas that are held by conservatives but not by liberals - the idea of loyalty to an in-group and opposition to an out-group.

                            I note that in the bible there is plenty of racism - gentiles are generally regarded as second-class to Jews, and there are genocidal commands against a variety of other races. I also note that the Declaration of Independence text quoted in the OP was written in a nation that had race-based slavery. Taken together these points mean that the OP is fundamentally deceitful in its implication that Christianity and a bible-derived theology is responsible for people being opposed to racism. In fact those have historically perpetuated racism. The group that has most opposed racism in history is modern secular liberals. Seer has adopted a morality based on modern secular liberal ideas, and projected that back onto parts of the bible, finding a very small proof-text for it and completely ignoring the rest of what the bible says on the subject, and hence deceived himself into thinking his morality is 'biblical' in origin rather than owing its views to modern secular liberalism.

                            As to the OP question about 'biological normalness' of an us vs them mentality... I have no idea whatsoever.

                            However the OP assumption that the morality of atheists must be identical to the evolutionary process and/or derived from it, is stunning ignorant.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by seer View Post
                              "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights..."

                              Since I believe that all men are God's image bearers and have a transcendent worth that is not dependent (as I said in the past) on varying social constructs, I can logically conclude that racism is evil. We are all, in one sense, God's offspring. But on what basis does the atheist condemn racism? Isn't racism merely tribalism and tribalism a natural outcome of the evolutionary process? In other words - biologically normal?
                              Tribal (racist) violence is a normal part of chimpanzee behavior and historically has been a normal part of the behavior of their nearest relatives - i.e. humans. The OT is full of it - so is secular history.. It is a natural outcome of the evolutionary process in that we are predisposed to care about and protect our own loved ones and extended families and communities - i.e. tribes - against aggressive outsiders..

                              The difference between chimp tribalism and us is the we have merged many tribes into clans and kingdoms etc. Same principle but on a much larger scale.
                              Last edited by Tassman; 03-06-2021, 01:23 AM.
                              “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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