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Interpretation the Trinity is polytheistic
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Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
Ex-spurts in Theology most often engage with circular reasoning to justify what they believe.
Your comment is actually both disappointing and prejudicial. Have you even read Hurtado? If so, where, exactly, is he at fault? If not, then you generalize scholars and pre-judge this individual.
Again, disappointing ........especially since you have not offered anyone to refute Hurtado.
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[QUOTE=shunyadragon;n1196762][QUOTE=Christian3;n1196609]Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
Not be definition, and does not compute with Jesus Christ seated on the right hand of God.
https://www.compellingtruth.org/right-hand-of-God.html
https://www.gotquestions.org/right-hand-God.html
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[QUOTE=Christian3;n1196778][QUOTE=shunyadragon;n1196762]Originally posted by Christian3 View Post
Perhaps, these two links will help you understand what seated at the right hand of God means.
https://www.compellingtruth.org/right-hand-of-God.html
https://www.gotquestions.org/right-hand-God.html"It ain't necessarily so
The things that you're liable
To read in the Bible
It ain't necessarily so."
Sportin' Life
Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin
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[QUOTE=Christian3;n1196778][QUOTE=shunyadragon;n1196762]Originally posted by Christian3 View Post
Perhaps, these two links will help you understand what seated at the right hand of God means.
https://www.compellingtruth.org/right-hand-of-God.html
https://www.gotquestions.org/right-hand-God.htmlGlendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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[QUOTE=Christian3;n1196930][QUOTE=shunyadragon;n1196927]Originally posted by Christian3 View Post
Just what is your issue with this subject?Last edited by shunyadragon; 10-17-2020, 08:01 AM.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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[QUOTE=shunyadragon;n1196941][QUOTE=Christian3;n1196930]Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
Three separate persons as One God is an anthropomorphic polytheistic concept. Jesus Christ is depicted as a distinct separate Deity. Actually very similar to Hindu beliefs that the different Gods are aspects of the one Brahman.
Jesus is one person with two natures.
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[QUOTE=Christian3;n1196949][QUOTE=shunyadragon;n1196941]Originally posted by Christian3 View Post
I think you might be confusing Jesus as a man and the second person of the Trinity becoming flesh.
Jesus is one person with two natures.
Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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[QUOTE=shunyadragon;n1196941][QUOTE=Christian3;n1196930]Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
Three separate persons as One God is an anthropomorphic polytheistic concept. Jesus Christ is depicted as a distinct separate Deity. Actually very similar to Hindu beliefs that the different Gods are aspects of the one Brahman.
I do accept that if one goes too far with the concept of persons (modern understanding) than the Christian belief is distorted and it falls over into polytheism. I also understand that one can look at Christianity and simply believe they got it wrong: Jesus is not God but was exalted by God and made Lord.
Tough choices.
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Originally posted by thormas View Post
We may legitimately trip over the understanding of the word 'persons' however Christianity accepts that the idea of 3 in 1 (so to speak) is evident in the Jewish scriptures and the earliest Christian community began a "dyadic (God and Lord Jesus) devotional pattern and the triadic shape of discourse (Father, Jesus as Lord and Spirit) about God" is attested in the NT texts." So we have some expanding understanding of God, it seems, in both practice and scripture.
I do accept that if one goes too far with the concept of persons (modern understanding) than the Christian belief is distorted and it falls over into polytheism. I also understand that one can look at Christianity and simply believe they got it wrong: Jesus is not God but was exalted by God and made Lord.
Tough choices.
Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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[QUOTE=shunyadragon;n1196941][QUOTE=Christian3;n1196930]Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
Three separate persons as One God is an anthropomorphic polytheistic concept. Jesus Christ is depicted as a distinct separate Deity. Actually very similar to Hindu beliefs that the different Gods are aspects of the one Brahman.
The Word of God (son by relationship) is the second person of the Trinity; the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the One God. Only one God, not three separate Gods.
Keep in mind that Jesus AS A MAN did not exist before His birth about 2 thousand years ago. It is the Word of God who is eternal who has always existed.
Last edited by Christian3; 10-17-2020, 10:14 AM.
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[QUOTE=Christian3;n1197011][QUOTE=shunyadragon;n1196941]Originally posted by Christian3 View Post
Jesus is not depicted as a distinct separate Deity.
The Word of God (son by relationship) is the second person of the Trinity; the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the One God. Only one God, not three separate Gods.
Keep in mind that Jesus AS A MAN did not exist before His birth about 2 thousand years ago. It is the Word of God who is eternal who has always existed.
Yours is one view, but not the only one in traditional Christianity, and the different conflicting views are claimed to be based on scripture including the belief that Jesus Christ is eternal with Creation, and Creation took place by his hand..Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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