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  • #61
    Originally posted by Stoic View Post

    The justification would be that I think it's the right thing to do. Unfortunately, I don't have the power to enforce that opinion.
    So no rational justification, just an emotional one.
    Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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    • #62
      Originally posted by seer View Post
      So no rational justification, just an emotional one.
      Anyone can create a rational justification as long as they start with arbitrary premises.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Diogenes View Post

        I've not changed my position that dignity is not a natural property nor do humans have innate dignity. I have no issue with dignity as valuation being a part of human behavior.
        Then we will have to agree to disagree.
        Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
        Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
        But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

        go with the flow the river knows . . .

        Frank

        I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post

          Then we will have to agree to disagree.

          That's dine, but I don't see where we've actually disagreed.
          “I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”

          -Ghandi (Disputed)

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          • #65
            Originally posted by Stoic View Post

            Anyone can create a rational justification as long as they start with arbitrary premises.
            I would like to see a deductive argument for why you get to force your moral beliefs on others.
            Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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            • #66
              Originally posted by seer View Post

              I would like to see a deductive argument for why you get to force your moral beliefs on others.
              If we didn't get to force our moral beliefs on others, morality would be useless.

              Morality is not useless.

              Therefore, we get to force our moral beliefs on others. (modus tollens)

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              • #67
                Originally posted by Stoic View Post

                If we didn't get to force our moral beliefs on others, morality would be useless.

                Morality is not useless.

                Therefore, we get to force our moral beliefs on others. (modus tollens)
                Do you really believe premise one?
                Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by seer View Post

                  Do you really believe premise one?
                  "Useless" might be a little strong, but given time, I could probably replace it with something more appropriate. Perhaps "inadequate".

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Stoic View Post

                    "Useless" might be a little strong, but given time, I could probably replace it with something more appropriate. Perhaps "inadequate".
                    So if God exists He would be justified in forcing His morality on us?
                    Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by seer View Post
                      So if God exists He would be justified in forcing His morality on us?
                      Sure, in his opinion. If he exists.

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by seer View Post
                        Again none of this changes the fact that all men bear the image of God. We may (and should) execute the child rapist, that does not however change the fact that he bears God's image, no matter how much the man marred that image. That image or value is not dependent on circumstances or position (slave or not) or on one's behavior (good or bad). That is the whole point.
                        You say the image / value isn't dependent on behavior good or bad, yet you want to execute people for bad behavior?! Seems your 'image of god' talk is meaningless talk to you.

                        My majority-non-religious country rejects the death penalty, as it values human life too much to accept execution as a valid penalty for any crime. Its interesting that a non-religious country values human life more than your supposedly-bible-based philosophy.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                          You say the image / value isn't dependent on behavior good or bad, yet you want to execute people for bad behavior?! Seems your 'image of god' talk is meaningless talk to you.
                          Nonsense, the point is circumstances to do not change ones value.

                          My majority-non-religious country rejects the death penalty, as it values human life too much to accept execution as a valid penalty for any crime. Its interesting that a non-religious country values human life more than your supposedly-bible-based philosophy.
                          Right so you let the murderer live to murder again. I want to protect the innocent. If you want to give the child rapist life, that is OK with me too.
                          Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by Stoic View Post

                            Sure, in his opinion. If he exists.
                            Cool, then you won't have any objections if He does...
                            Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by seer View Post
                              Cool, then you won't have any objections if He does...
                              Nothing says my opinion has to match his opinion.

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by Stoic View Post

                                Nothing says my opinion has to match his opinion.
                                Right, but you would have no rational objection to him imposing his moral view on you.
                                Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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