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  • Originally posted by seer View Post

    Moral ideals are abstract by definition. That is my point.
    Moral ideas are not tangible and in that respect are abstract. However, that is not what you wrote. You wrote "The point is that we can think in abstract moral terms " What did you mean by abstract moral terms?

    Or did you intend to write "We can think about abstract terms such as morals?

    Last edited by Hypatia_Alexandria; 02-26-2021, 08:28 AM.
    "It ain't necessarily so
    The things that you're liable
    To read in the Bible
    It ain't necessarily so
    ."

    Sportin' Life
    Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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    • Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

      Moral ideas are not tangible and in that respect are abstract. However, that is not what you wrote. You wrote "The point is that we can think in abstract moral terms " What did you mean by abstract moral terms?

      Or did you intend to write "We can think about abstract terms such as morality?

      Good grief woman - I'm sure every one here clearly understood my point - except you! We can grasp abstract moral ideals, or terms, or have abstract moral ideas. We can think or rationalize morally - which separates us from the animals.
      Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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      • Originally posted by seer View Post

        Good grief woman - I'm sure every one here clearly understood my point - except you! We can grasp abstract moral ideals, or terms, or have abstract moral ideas.
        Yet that is not what you initially wrote.

        What you have written in this reply is more in keeping with what I suggested not your original comment which was "The point is that we can think in abstract moral terms ".
        "It ain't necessarily so
        The things that you're liable
        To read in the Bible
        It ain't necessarily so
        ."

        Sportin' Life
        Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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        • Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
          On that we are in agreement.

          A more exact definition to describe "[a]ll religions and theologies" would be to define them as speculative systems for the interpretation of the cosmos, human existence within it, and the means of subsistence. [The latter probably being the earliest manifestation of “religious beliefs”.]

          However, perhaps all that is too "fastidious" for you.


          I'm glad you finally found the hair in your soup; plot twist, it's your own hair, not the cook's nor the server's.
          “I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”

          -Ghandi (Disputed)

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          • Without appealing to the soul or personhood, under your Christianity, what gives humans dignity and moral worth?
            “I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”

            -Ghandi (Disputed)

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            • Originally posted by Diogenes View Post
              Without appealing to the soul or personhood, under your Christianity, what gives humans dignity and moral worth?
              God...
              Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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              • Originally posted by seer View Post

                God...
                So it's subjective. Transcendent, by subjective still.
                “I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”

                -Ghandi (Disputed)

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                • Originally posted by Diogenes View Post

                  So it's subjective. Transcendent, by subjective still.
                  Yet permanent and certain and absolute.
                  Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                  • Originally posted by Diogenes View Post
                    So it's subjective.
                    Indeed, Seer's own "solutions" fail the very tests he's trying to impose on others.

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                    • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                      Indeed, Seer's own "solutions" fail the very tests he's trying to impose on others.
                      Are you stupid? What did I say in my OP? Where does my solution fail?

                      Is The Concept Of Human Dignity merely a social construction, or is there a transcendent link that is not dependent on wavering social norms?


                      Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                      • Originally posted by seer View Post
                        Where does my solution fail?
                        Appealing to God to try to ground these is no more interesting philosophically than appealing to my neighbor's views. It's totally arbitrary.

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                        • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                          Appealing to God to try to ground these is no more interesting philosophically than appealing to my neighbor's views. It's totally arbitrary.
                          How many followers does your neighbor have?

                          Asking for a friend.
                          "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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                          • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                            Appealing to God to try to ground these is no more interesting philosophically than appealing to my neighbor's views. It's totally arbitrary.
                            And what do you have Star?
                            Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                            • Originally posted by seer View Post


                              Is The Concept Of Human Dignity merely a social construction
                              Yes.

                              Originally posted by seer View Post
                              , or is there a transcendent link that is not dependent on wavering social norms
                              No.

                              "It ain't necessarily so
                              The things that you're liable
                              To read in the Bible
                              It ain't necessarily so
                              ."

                              Sportin' Life
                              Porgy & Bess, DuBose Heyward, George & Ira Gershwin

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                              • Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
                                Yes.


                                No.
                                So basically the idea of human dignity is a useful fiction.
                                Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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