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  • Originally posted by Machinist View Post

    I would say it has multiple opinions on ethics.
    Does "it" let us know what those opinions are?
    Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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    • Originally posted by Machinist View Post

      It wouldn't be our invention. It would just be the way things evolved.
      So we could then evolve to be more cruel or selfish....
      Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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      • Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post
        Furthermore, the various concepts of deity that we find in the Hebrew texts do not bear out the contention that god is completely good.


        Except you can not define good in any universal or objective sense. So your claim is without meaning...
        Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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        • Originally posted by seer View Post
          So we could then evolve to be more cruel or selfish....
          To avoid that, we'd need to set up our societies such that cruelty and selfishness are disadvantageous to longevity and reproduction.

          Perhaps we could lionize people who are kind and unselfish, for example, and shun or imprison people who are cruel and selfish.

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          • Originally posted by Stoic View Post

            To avoid that, we'd need to set up our societies such that cruelty and selfishness are disadvantageous to longevity and reproduction.

            Perhaps we could lionize people who are kind and unselfish, for example, and shun or imprison people who are cruel and selfish.
            I'm not sure how that would work. If we are determined by the evolutionary process then genetics decide our characters and responses.
            Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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            • Originally posted by seer View Post

              Does "it" let us know what those opinions are?
              Short answer, no.

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              • Originally posted by seer View Post

                So we could then evolve to be more cruel or selfish....
                Yes of course we could.

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                • Originally posted by seer View Post
                  I'm not sure how that would work. If we are determined by the evolutionary process then genetics decide our characters and responses.
                  Not just genetics. There is also environment.

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                  • Originally posted by Stoic View Post

                    Not just genetics. There is also environment.
                    Don't our genetics drive the environments we create?
                    Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                    • Originally posted by Machinist View Post

                      Short answer, no.
                      So basically useless for discovering what these enlightened values may or may not be.
                      Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                      • Originally posted by seer View Post
                        Don't our genetics drive the environments we create?
                        Not entirely. They don't control the weather, for example.

                        Our genes influence our environment, and our environment influences our genes. It's an extremely complex interaction.

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                        • Originally posted by seer View Post


                          Except you can not define good in any universal or objective sense. So your claim is without meaning...
                          "God is in His own nature all that which our mind can conceive of as good; ‐ rather, transcending all good that we can conceive or comprehend."

                          That is Gregory of Nyssa.

                          Not me.
                          "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful" Attrib. Seneca 4 BCE - 65 CE

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                          • Originally posted by Hypatia_Alexandria View Post

                            "God is in His own nature all that which our mind can conceive of as good; ‐ rather, transcending all good that we can conceive or comprehend."

                            That is Gregory of Nyssa.

                            Not me.
                            God transcending our concepts of "good" does not entail God is not completely good as you claimed.

                            Gregory of Nyssa goes on to say

                            He creates man for no other reason than that He is good (emphasis added); and being such, and having this as His reason for entering upon the creation of our nature, He would not exhibit the power of His goodness in an imperfect form, giving our nature some one of the things at His disposal, and grudging it a share in another: but the perfect form of goodness is here to be seen by His both bringing man into being from nothing, and fully supplying him with all good gifts: but since the list of individual good gifts is a long one, it is out of the question to apprehend it numerically.
                            (On the Making of Man, XVI, 10.)
                            Ideological Vagrant (Yes, this is in Comic Sans.)

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                            • Originally posted by Diogenes View Post

                              God transcending our concepts of "good" does not entail God is not completely good as you claimed.
                              As I recall I never "claimed " that god is completely good.

                              I wrote "the various concepts of deity that we find in the Hebrew texts do not bear out the contention that god is completely good." I underlined the word "god" because there are various concepts of deity found in the Hebrew texts.

                              "Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful" Attrib. Seneca 4 BCE - 65 CE

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                              • Originally posted by seer View Post

                                So basically useless for discovering what these enlightened values may or may not be.
                                I think it has relevance. Somewhere down stream.

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