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  • Originally posted by Tassman View Post

    We are “right” for our era of belief in equal rights, just as the era of Christian slave-owners was “right” according to the acceptance of racial discrimination as the norm.
    What makes our era correct?
    Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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    • Originally posted by seer View Post

      Yes, and I read your link back then - and no it does not show that the law of non-contradiction is not absolute. If it isn't then reasoning is dead. It is self defeating, for instance:

      The law of non-contradiction doesn't have to be absolute.

      Could that statement be both true and false?
      Maybe not that one, but perhaps some other statement.

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      • Originally posted by Stoic View Post

        Maybe not that one, but perhaps some other statement.
        But why not that one? If the LONC does not hold universally then we could have no way of knowing. And except for a word game like the liars sentence I have not seen a true contradiction - have you?
        Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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        • Originally posted by seer View Post
          But why not that one? If the LONC does not hold universally then we could have no way of knowing.
          Well, I don't feel a need to know anything with absolute certainty.

          And except for a word game like the liars sentence I have not seen a true contradiction - have you?
          I don't need to. You are free to believe that the LONC is absolute if you want to. I happen to doubt it.

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          • Originally posted by Stoic View Post
            Well, I don't feel a need to know anything with absolute certainty.
            Then we are left open madness IMHO...

            ...I happen to doubt it.
            So that could be both true and false.



            Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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            • Originally posted by seer View Post
              Then we are left open madness IMHO...
              You are free to believe that, too.

              So that could be both true and false.
              Not according to classical logic, which we use by convention.

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              • Originally posted by Stoic View Post
                You are free to believe that, too.


                Not according to classical logic, which we use by convention.
                Except you are suggesting that classic logic isn't always valid.
                Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                • Originally posted by seer View Post
                  Except you are suggesting that classic logic isn't always valid.
                  No, I'm saying it isn't necessarily absolute.

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                  • Originally posted by seer View Post

                    What makes our era correct?
                    Because we believe it to be so, just as the Christian slave-owners presumably believed they were behaving correctly. We generally don’t consciously set out to behave incorrectly.
                    “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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                    • Originally posted by seer View Post

                      But why not that one? If the LONC does not hold universally then we could have no way of knowing. And except for a word game like the liars sentence I have not seen a true contradiction - have you?
                      Formal logic cannot be proven to be true, it is purely academic. It can be used to deduce true consequences from true premises IF one can obtain a "true premise". The problem is that we have no absolutely true premises, except ones we ourselves define to be true..
                      “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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                      • Originally posted by Tassman View Post

                        The problem is that we have no absolutely true premises, except ones we ourselves define to be true..
                        So the theory of evolution is not absolutely true?

                        Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                        • Originally posted by seer View Post
                          So the theory of evolution is not absolutely true?
                          Nothing in science is absolutely certain.

                          But there are some things in which we have an extremely high degree of confidence.

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                          • Originally posted by Stoic View Post

                            Nothing in science is absolutely certain.

                            But there are some things in which we have an extremely high degree of confidence.
                            Good, I thought AGW was settled science!
                            Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                            • Originally posted by seer View Post

                              Good, I thought AGW was settled science!
                              Settled science would be the stuff in which we have a very high degree of confidence.

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                              • Originally posted by Stoic View Post

                                Settled science would be the stuff in which we have a very high degree of confidence.
                                But settled supposes certainty, or you could never suggest it was settled.
                                Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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