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    Why is this belief not held as much in the West?
    I am become death...

  • #2
    Good question. It may have something to do with the Roman emphasis on and expertise in legal administration and practicalities pushing mystical realities to the edges.
    βλέπομεν γὰρ ἄρτι δι᾿ ἐσόπτρου ἐν αἰνίγματι, τότε δὲ πρόσωπον πρὸς πρόσωπον·
    ἄρτι γινώσκω ἐκ μέρους, τότε δὲ ἐπιγνώσομαι καθὼς καὶ ἐπεγνώσθην.

    אָכֵ֕ן אַתָּ֖ה אֵ֣ל מִסְתַּתֵּ֑ר אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל מוֹשִֽׁיעַ׃

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Anastasia Dragule View Post
      Why is this belief not held as much in the West?
      The Baha'i Faith is sometimes described as close to being Panentheistic.
      Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
      Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
      But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:

      go with the flow the river knows . . .

      Frank

      I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.

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      • #4
        what does "West" mean? Did you mean Western Christianity?
        My understanding is that Native religions of North America and South America may have been panenthesitic...?...in which case the "West" was/is panenthesitic to some degree....?...

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        • #5
          Originally posted by siam View Post
          what does "West" mean? Did you mean Western Christianity?
          My understanding is that Native religions of North America and South America may have been panenthesitic...?...in which case the "West" was/is panenthesitic to some degree....?...
          Yes, I meant predominantly the Eurocentric world oft in some sense at least aligned with western Christianity.

          Fascinating. I thought that Native American beliefs were more pantheistic or possibly animistic.
          I am become death...

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          • #6
            Ever seen this vid? Interesting.
            If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Christianbookworm View Post
              Ever seen this vid? Interesting.
              I have not, but I liked it a lot. I heard that Lutheranism had some things in common with Orthodoxy, beyond concept of the church and something real in communion. I wonder if the lack of that perspective in other reformers also lead to deism. I am surprised that dualistic theism isn't considered heretical as it sounds a bit like deism outside of the possibility of God's delivered savior and certain interactions leading up to it.
              I am become death...

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              • #8
                Are you a reader of Matthew Fox? I particularly enjoy his work.

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                • #9
                  If a panentheist believes that all is in God and that all is dependent on God then I've been a panentheist ever since I read Acts 17:28 and Hebrews 1:3 (and other similar scripture passages) for the first time.
                  Last edited by JonathanL; 04-17-2015, 12:51 AM.
                  ~Formerly known as Chrawnus~

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                  • #10
                    The video was informative.
                    It always fascinates me how Christianity manages to complicate things...!...

                    One might say that both Pantheism (God-in-All) and Panentheism (All-in-God) are expressions of the interconnections in the Created and between the Created and Uncreated. In Animist/Shamanist traditions, these expressions may be a matter of degree rather than either/or. Some traditions may be more Pantheistic...others more Panentheistic in degree....
                    Religions/philosophies that have a tradition of mysticism are more aware of this interconnectedness (New Agers might call Oneness). But for many Eastern religions/philosophies...the concept can also have ethical/moral value.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by siam View Post
                      The video was informative.
                      It always fascinates me how Christianity manages to complicate things...!...

                      One might say that both Pantheism (God-in-All) and Panentheism (All-in-God) are expressions of the interconnections in the Created and between the Created and Uncreated. In Animist/Shamanist traditions, these expressions may be a matter of degree rather than either/or. Some traditions may be more Pantheistic...others more Panentheistic in degree....
                      Religions/philosophies that have a tradition of mysticism are more aware of this interconnectedness (New Agers might call Oneness). But for many Eastern religions/philosophies...the concept can also have ethical/moral value.
                      Where does Islam lie on that sort of thing? (Well, other than being strict monotheists rather than trinitarians of course.)
                      I am become death...

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                      • #12
                        Pantheism would not work but I think a degree of Panentheism is incorporated in the primary concept of Tawheed (Unity). Those who are predisposed to mysticism such as the Sufi's probably have a higher degree of awareness than the mainstream Muslims.....
                        Islam is more a religion of "law" than theology---so theology(nature of God) functions as the foundation to developing ethical/moral principles. As you mentioned...we are "strict monotheists" so there is a limit to how much can be discussed concerning a simple concept such as One God......After a few sentences...we would have pretty much exhausted the topic!!!!
                        But there are ethical and moral ramifications to this concept concerning principles of human conduct, economic principles, governance, law and judiciary....etc...and all of these are heavily discussed and debated throughout Islamic history.....

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