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While this area is for the discussion of these doctrines within historic Christianity, all theists interested in discussing these areas within the presuppositions of and respect for the Christian framework are welcome to participate here. This is not the area for debate between nontheists and theists, additionally, there may be some topics that within the Moderator's discretion fall so outside the bounds of mainstream evangelical doctrine that may be more appropriately placed within Comparative Religions 101 Nontheists seeking only theistic participation only in a manner that does not seek to undermine the faith of others are also welcome - but we ask that Moderator approval be obtained beforehand.
Atheists are welcome to discuss and debate these issues in the Apologetics 301 or General Theistics 101 forum without such restrictions. Theists who wish to discuss these issues outside the parameters of orthodox Christian doctrine are invited to Unorthodox Theology 201.
Remember, our forum rules apply here as well. If you haven't read them now would be a good time.
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Unpacking Foreknowledge vs. Foreseeing
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The word of God uses "foreseeing" twice in the NT.
David as a prophet speaking of Christ's bodily resurrection:
". . . He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. . . ." -- Acts 2:27
And the Apostle Paul saying how holy scripture foresaw salvation for the nations through Abraham,
". . . And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, [saying], In thee shall all nations be blessed. . . ." -- Galatians 3:8.
Now NT holy scripture speaks of foreknowing (Strong in his dictionary sees it same as foresees):
". . . My manner of life from my youth, which was at the first among mine own nation at Jerusalem, know all the Jews; Which knew me from the beginning, if they would testify, that after the most straitest sect of our religion I lived a Pharisee. . . ." -- Acts 26:4, 5.
". . . For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate [to be] conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. . . ." -- Romans 8:29.
". . . God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying, . . ." -- Romans 11:2.
". . . who was foreknown indeed before the foundation of the world, but was manifested at the end of times for your sake, . . ." -- 1 Peter 1:20. ASV (KJV was foreordained)
". . . Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know [these things] before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness. . . ." -- 2 Peter 3:17. (ASV knowing [these things] beforehand}Last edited by 37818; 03-15-2015, 05:49 PM.
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Originally posted by Littlejoe View PostIn another thread, 37818 made this statement:
In order to not derail that thread, I have started this one for him to respond and expound on what he means by this statement. I don't see an appreciable difference between the two.
If you agree or disagree with his statement, feel free to join the discussion.
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Um, maybe he thinks that foreseeing means that it's not 100% certain? I really don't know on this one either.
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Unpacking Foreknowledge vs. Foreseeing
In another thread, 37818 made this statement:
Originally posted by 37818 View PostGod is omniscient. God's foreknowledge is just that, knowing those who are His. Foreknowledge does not mean foreseeing.
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