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Understanding the value of Jesus' sacrifice

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  • #16
    Originally posted by eustilou View Post
    The most satisfactory answer I found:

    christianthinktank.com/2littlepain.html
    Agreed. Jesus will always remember exactly what he went through for our sakes to the tiniest detail.
    If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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    • #17
      Originally posted by eustilou View Post
      Scratch that...
      Jesus is the same yesterday today and forever (Heb. 13:5)
      In the Father there is no variation or shifting shadw (Jam. 1:17)
      Before the incarnation the verse does not apply. Since Son of God was not always a human. After the incarnation, death, burial, resurrection and ascension in the presence of God for us, as an immortal human, then that verse applies. God the Father didn't change. The Word who had two natures, one being "with God" something other than God, and "was God." How the Word was "with God" changed. Beginning with the creation of all things, the incarnation. God's nature was and is immutable. The Word always had two natures, immutable, being God, and a mutable nature, by whom God does all things God does. Not in the creeds. But is in the NT, John 1:1-3, 14, etc.
      Last edited by 37818; 01-07-2015, 08:10 PM.
      . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

      . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

      Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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      • #18
        Originally posted by 37818 View Post
        Before the incarnation the verse does not apply. Since Son of God was not always a human. After the incarnation, death, burial, resurrection and ascension in the presence of God for us, as an immortal human, then that verse applies. God the Father didn't change. The Word who had two natures, one being "with God" something other than God, and "was God." How the Word was "with God" changed.
        Thanks. You're right.
        Hebrews says Jesus is the same, not the Word.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by eustilou View Post
          Hello, I have a few questions about the sacrifice of Jesus:

          What does it mean that God "gave" Jesus? (John 3:16) It appears more like God lent Jesus for 33 years and then He returned to the Father.

          If I buy something precious with a diamond, and the seller smashes the diamond into pieces, then I take those smashed pieces and put them back together restoring the diamond as it was before... and I keep the diamond, what price did I pay for my purchase?

          What is the permanency of Jesus' sacrifice? For God to have "given" something, it must have cost Him something... to lose something He doesn't have anymore.

          What did it cost God to purchase us?

          1 Corinthians 6:20 For you have been bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body.
          1 Corinthians 7:23 You were bought with a price; do not become slaves of men.


          What is the value of suffering for 3 hours on a cross or being dead for 3 days in light of eternity? 3 hours or 3 days of suffering/death is infinitely negligible relative to eternity. Is it not so? What is missing from my understanding?

          Scripture tells us the currency of the transaction happened with blood.

          Acts 20:28 ... shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood.
          Revelation 5:9 ...You were slain, and purchased for God with Your blood men from every tribe and tongue and people and nation.


          We also know the blood is precious.

          1 Peter 1:18-19 ... you were not redeemed with perishable things like silver or gold from your futile way of life inherited from your forefathers, but with precious blood, as of a lamb unblemished and spotless, the blood of Christ

          It seems like most in the church don't appreciate much the value of the blood. We take the gospel too lightly because we don't properly appreciate the weight of Jesus' sacrifice.
          What value does the shed blood have if Jesus is alive in heaven with the Father?
          What is the permanency of the sacrifice? What was sacrificed? What was lost? What was given up?
          To sacrifice means to give something you will not have anymore.
          If you receive back what you gave, what sacrifice is that?
          ## It cost God everything - even God cannot give more than the Gift of God Himself. But that is what the Father gave: He gave His Unique Son, and the Son gives His Spirit, and everything else. The Son is the Gift Who Keeps on giving.

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