Use the Exodus event as a template. Did all the Children of Israel see the Kingdom of God? Nope, only Joshua and Caleb. Didn't the former turn away from the world (Egypt) and pledge loyalty to God? Sure, but that wasn't enough. In addition to turning away from the world, J & C turned away from self. Loyalty to God is a metanoia, change of mind, often mistranslated as "repent". It is adaptive, requiring a rethink in every situation: I choose God, not the world. I choose God, not myself.
It's only when you are solidly for God that you can see the Land flowing with milk and honey, not harm inflicting giants.
People drink from the Rock, learn from the Bible. When they read the life-threatening passages, they want to go back to Egypt. Of course it's another matter that the hard teachings aren't taught...
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Soyeong: Born Again
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Thanks guys, I don't mind if you respond but at this point I would like to read Soy's response first before I further delve into the topic.
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Since Cow Poke took the initiative to comment on Soyeong's questions, I'll give a 2 cents:
Originally posted by Scrawly View Post1) What does it mean to be "born again"?
Originally posted by Scrawly View Post2) How does one become "born again"?
Originally posted by Scrawly View Post3) What does the "new birth" look like in the life of an individual who has been "born again"?
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Now this may not apply to every person. Some like drug addicts and criminals may be pushed into it because their lives are just so miserable. It doesn't mean everyone is going to run to God for joy. But ultimately, we should enjoy serving God, rather than seeing it as a duty or burden. Where otherwise may indicate that in our hearts, we aren't serving God at all, but rather, serving fear of punishment if we don't serve God.
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Jesus describes this in John Chapter 3. I think He does a better job than I could.
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Soyeong: Born Again
Howdy Soyeong
If you would be so kind, can you please explain:
1) What does it mean to be "born again"?
2) How does one become "born again"?
3) What does the "new birth" look like in the life of an individual who has been "born again"?
Thanks very much!Tags: None
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