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Podcast about Lordship Salvation

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  • Obsidian
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    Unbelievable. The very verse you quoted says that it is possible to call him lord and not do what he says.

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  • lee_merrill
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    Originally posted by Hornet View Post
    Does that mean that "Jesus is God" or "I'm going to obey Jesus"?
    "Jesus is Lord" is the text, I believe this is a confession of obedience.

    "Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say?" (Lk 6:46)

    So calling Jesus Lord implies obedience...

    Blessings,
    Lee

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  • Obsidian
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    Submitting to God's authority is works. Making a promise to submit to God's authority is just making a promise to do works.

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  • Hornet
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    Originally posted by lee_merrill View Post
    Well, sanctification is not defined as whether you take Jesus as Lord! Now submission is a process, but taking Jesus as Lord is part of the start of salvation, I believe.

    "If you declare with your mouth, 'Jesus is Lord,' and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved." (Ro 10:9 NIV)

    Blessings,
    Lee
    Does that mean that "Jesus is God" or "I'm going to obey Jesus"? The Lordship Salvation is not a dispute of whether or not a person needs to admit that Jesus is God at conversion. It is a dispute of whether or not a person has to submit to God's authority or make a promise to obey God at conversion.

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  • lee_merrill
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    Well, sanctification is not defined as whether you take Jesus as Lord! Now submission is a process, but taking Jesus as Lord is part of the start of salvation, I believe.

    "If you declare with your mouth, 'Jesus is Lord,' and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved." (Ro 10:9 NIV)

    Blessings,
    Lee

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  • Hornet
    started a topic Podcast about Lordship Salvation

    Podcast about Lordship Salvation

    There is a podcast called "Theology Gals" and the hosts had an episode about Lordship Salvation. They say that Lordship Salvation as John MacArthur defines teaches that repentance and submitting to Christ's authority is a part of faith. The opposing point of view is Free Grace theology, which teaches that sanctification does not necessarily follow from justification. Zane Hodges is an example of the extreme version of it and Charles Ryrie is an example of the softer version of it.

    http://theologygals.com/2019/05/lord...y-episode-112/
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