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This is the forum to discuss the spectrum of views within Christianity on God's foreknowledge and election such as Calvinism, Arminianism, Molinism, Open Theism, Process Theism, Restrictivism, and Inclusivism, Christian Universalism and what these all are about anyway. Who is saved and when is/was their salvation certain? How does God exercise His sovereignty and how powerful is He? Is God timeless and immutable? Does a triune God help better understand God's love for mankind?

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Atheists are welcome to discuss and debate these issues in the Apologetics 301 or General Theistics 101 forum without such restrictions. Theists who wish to discuss these issues outside the parameters of orthodox Christian doctrine are invited to Unorthodox Theology 201.

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Calvinism, Molinism, Arminianism poll

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  • #16
    Originally posted by Littlejoe View Post
    I've been an Open Theist for many years now so, Arminianism is the closest to my views in the poll. I'm an extreme free will advocate...Love requires free will, not coercion. Irresistible Grace makes that impossible.
    I'm not an Open Theist, but I am... wait for it... "open" to the idea.

    IIRC, Geisler regarded Open Theism as "Hyper-Arminianism."
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    • #17
      Pet adoption analogy? In Calvinism, the stray gets captured and taken home. In Molinism, there were different possibilities, but it was known the stray cat would come inside for a can of tuna, so a can was placed closer and closer to the house and the strays trust was earned. In Arminianism, the cat came in one day. Now how much of a strawman bad analogy was that?
      If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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      • #18
        My theological views are largely (but not completely) Arminian. On providence, though, I lean heavily towards Molinism. I think Molinism seems to best explain diverse Scriptures and resolves tensions that Calvinism simply does not.

        That said, I'm in the middle of a deep dive into different views of divine providence because I want a better conceptual model for understanding divine providence and human freedom. Currently the most difficult issue for me is the concept that God actively supports the existence of all things, and by extension actively causes all things to happen. Calvinism seems to let human's decisions be dependent on this sustaining and providential act, while Molinism affirms that God causes the action, but only after the human has exercised free will and made the decision. This works to technically get God off the hook for being the author of sin (because God didn't decide to sin, he merely enabled their ability to sin). However, I've got big problems with theology that has God actively participating in sin/evil. In all the reading I've done thus far, no on has provided a Scriptural basis for this concept of God actively enabling all actions of all creatures. It seems to be, rather, an implicit assumption based on reading Scripture and I'm beginning to think it's rather extra-biblical or unbiblical.

        If anyone is aware of verses that support this concept, please feel free to share them. I plan on doing a systematic review of such verses soon.
        "If you believe, take the first step, it leads to Jesus Christ. If you don't believe, take the first step all the same, for you are bidden to take it. No one wants to know about your faith or unbelief, your orders are to perform the act of obedience on the spot. Then you will find yourself in the situation where faith becomes possible and where faith exists in the true sense of the word." - Dietrich Bonhoeffer, The Cost of Discipleship
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