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Does the "except clause" of Matthew 19:9 allow divorce and remarriage?

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  • Cow Poke
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    Originally posted by Dave L View Post
    If people receive a false impression of me, you are lying.
    wow ---- you make up your own rules as you go along. Yet ANOTHER mark of a Pharisee.

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  • Dave L
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    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

    First of all, you have violated the rules of the board (again) with your goofy false accusation of lying without substantiation.

    I expressed an opinion, and asked a question. There was no lying there at all.
    If people receive a false impression of me, you are lying.

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  • Cow Poke
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    Originally posted by Dave L View Post
    You are Edited by a Moderator because you cannot disprove what I say.
    First of all, you have violated the rules of the board (again) with your goofy false accusation of lying without substantiation.

    I expressed an opinion, and asked a question. There was no lying there at all.
    Last edited by QuantaFille; 01-16-2022, 01:12 PM. Reason: Quoting modded content

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  • Dave L
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    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

    You can play Bible Bingo all day long, Dave, ripping verses out of context, but that doesn't change the fact that you seem incapable of exegesis.

    By the way, did you ever exegete the passage I asked you to do numerous times? (with all the threads you start pretty much simultaneously, it's hard for an old guy like me to keep track.)
    You are Edited by a Moderator because you cannot disprove what I say.

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  • Cow Poke
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    Originally posted by Dave L View Post

    “For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.” Romans 7:2–3 (KJV 1900)
    You can play Bible Bingo all day long, Dave, ripping verses out of context, but that doesn't change the fact that you seem incapable of exegesis.

    By the way, did you ever exegete the passage I asked you to do numerous times? (with all the threads you start pretty much simultaneously, it's hard for an old guy like me to keep track.)

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  • Dave L
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    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

    There are no speeding allowances under the New Covenant. Especially in Ferraris.
    “For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.” Romans 7:2–3 (KJV 1900)

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  • Cow Poke
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    Originally posted by Dave L View Post

    There are no divorce allowances under the New Covenant. Especially remarriage.
    There are no speeding allowances under the New Covenant. Especially in Ferraris.

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  • Dave L
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    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

    Like the woman caught in adultery and released by Jesus? She got "let off with a warning".
    There are no divorce allowances under the New Covenant. Especially remarriage.

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  • Cow Poke
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    Originally posted by Dave L View Post
    The wife was faithful or she would have been stoned.
    Like the woman caught in adultery and released by Jesus? She got "let off with a warning".

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  • tabibito
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    Originally posted by Sparko View Post
    Dave keeps claiming the man in the verse was the one who was unfaithful when it is clear that Jesus was saying the man could only divorce his wife if SHE was unfaithful. I don't know if women even had the right to ask for a divorce back then if the husband was unfaithful.
    Women had the right to divorce, though as your comment indicates, it would be unlikely for infidelity to be considered adequate grounds.

    And clearly Jesus is saying you can't stone an adulterer to death any longer, otherwise why would Jesus even bother mentioning it in an example of when you are allowed to divorce and then go on to mention the unfaithful wife remarrying and making her new husband an adulterer? I think he was not only saying that you could divorce in cases of infidelity but that adultery is no longer a death sentence. This is his new covenant rules after all. He stopped them from stoning the adulterous woman, remember? Clearly Jesus is saying you can't kill someone for adultery any more. But you can divorce them.
    The law provided for the death penalty in the case of adultery - but it wasn't necessarily invoked. At least by the first century, lesser penalties were acceptable.
    Add to your examples the glaringly obvious righteous man's response to (assumed) adultery: Joseph's decision to divorce Mary quietly when he thought that she had been unfaithful.

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  • Dave L
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    Originally posted by Sparko View Post
    Dave keeps claiming the man in the verse was the one who was unfaithful when it is clear that Jesus was saying the man could only divorce his wife if SHE was unfaithful. I don't know if women even had the right to ask for a divorce back then if the husband was unfaithful.

    And clearly Jesus is saying you can't stone an adulterer to death any longer, otherwise why would Jesus even bother mentioning it in an example of when you are allowed to divorce and then go on to mention the unfaithful wife remarrying and making her new husband an adulterer? I think he was not only saying that you could divorce in cases of infidelity but that adultery is no longer a death sentence. This is his new covenant rules after all. He stopped them from stoning the adulterous woman, remember? Clearly Jesus is saying you can't kill someone for adultery any more. But you can divorce them.
    The wife was faithful or she would have been stoned. The husband divorces her anyway and remarries, committing adultery. The innocent wife and her new husband also commit adultery when they remarry. The except clause does not work unless the adulterer dies making remarriage possible.

    “For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.” Romans 7:2–3 (KJV 1900)

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  • Sparko
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    Dave keeps claiming the man in the verse was the one who was unfaithful when it is clear that Jesus was saying the man could only divorce his wife if SHE was unfaithful. I don't know if women even had the right to ask for a divorce back then if the husband was unfaithful.

    And clearly Jesus is saying you can't stone an adulterer to death any longer, otherwise why would Jesus even bother mentioning it in an example of when you are allowed to divorce and then go on to mention the unfaithful wife remarrying and making her new husband an adulterer? I think he was not only saying that you could divorce in cases of infidelity but that adultery is no longer a death sentence. This is his new covenant rules after all. He stopped them from stoning the adulterous woman, remember? Clearly Jesus is saying you can't kill someone for adultery any more. But you can divorce them.

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  • Cow Poke
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    Originally posted by Dave L View Post
    Here's the issue in this post.

    Husband (1) commits adultery when he divorced his innocent wife and married wife (2).

    The except clause did not work because his wife would have been stoned to death for adultery under Mosaic Law had she been guilty. This would have allowed for his remarriage.

    But in this case, the innocent divorced wife also commits adultery along with the man, husband (2) when they marry. The solution?

    “So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.” Romans 7:3 (KJV 1900)


    A bigger issue.....

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    his was Old Covenant Law that God replaced with the New Covenant.

    The New Covenant does not have a provision for divorce or remarriage.
    The New Covenant does not have a provision for motorcycles or jet airplanes. Or air conditioning in Churches.

    This is akin to the Church of Christ arguing that there is no provision in the New Testament for musical instruments, therefore, only unaccompanied vocal music is allowed.

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  • Dave L
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    Here's the issue in this post.

    Husband (1) commits adultery when he divorced his innocent wife and married wife (2).

    The except clause did not work because his wife would have been stoned to death for adultery under Mosaic Law had she been guilty. This would have allowed for his remarriage.

    But in this case, the innocent divorced wife also commits adultery along with the man, husband (2) when they marry. The solution?

    “So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.” Romans 7:3 (KJV 1900)


    A bigger issue.....

    T
    his was Old Covenant Law that God replaced with the New Covenant.

    The New Covenant does not have a provision for Christian divorce or remarriage.

    Those who divorce under pagan law are confirmed in that state of unforgiveness.
    Last edited by Dave L; 01-14-2022, 08:16 AM.

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  • Cow Poke
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    Originally posted by Dave L View Post

    “And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication (= death by stoning), and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.” Matthew 19:9 (KJV 1900)
    Are you divorced and remarried?
    You're doing that thing you pretend to hate, Dave --- adding to Scripture.

    Yet another mark of a cultist.

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