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Does the "except clause" of Matthew 19:9 allow divorce and remarriage?
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
First of all, you have violated the rules of the board (again) with your goofy false accusation of lying without substantiation.
I expressed an opinion, and asked a question. There was no lying there at all.
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Originally posted by Dave L View PostYou are • Edited by a Moderator • because you cannot disprove what I say.
I expressed an opinion, and asked a question. There was no lying there at all.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
You can play Bible Bingo all day long, Dave, ripping verses out of context, but that doesn't change the fact that you seem incapable of exegesis.
By the way, did you ever exegete the passage I asked you to do numerous times? (with all the threads you start pretty much simultaneously, it's hard for an old guy like me to keep track.)
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Originally posted by Dave L View Post
“For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.” Romans 7:2–3 (KJV 1900)
By the way, did you ever exegete the passage I asked you to do numerous times? (with all the threads you start pretty much simultaneously, it's hard for an old guy like me to keep track.)
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
There are no speeding allowances under the New Covenant. Especially in Ferraris.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostDave keeps claiming the man in the verse was the one who was unfaithful when it is clear that Jesus was saying the man could only divorce his wife if SHE was unfaithful. I don't know if women even had the right to ask for a divorce back then if the husband was unfaithful.
And clearly Jesus is saying you can't stone an adulterer to death any longer, otherwise why would Jesus even bother mentioning it in an example of when you are allowed to divorce and then go on to mention the unfaithful wife remarrying and making her new husband an adulterer? I think he was not only saying that you could divorce in cases of infidelity but that adultery is no longer a death sentence. This is his new covenant rules after all. He stopped them from stoning the adulterous woman, remember? Clearly Jesus is saying you can't kill someone for adultery any more. But you can divorce them.
Add to your examples the glaringly obvious righteous man's response to (assumed) adultery: Joseph's decision to divorce Mary quietly when he thought that she had been unfaithful.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostDave keeps claiming the man in the verse was the one who was unfaithful when it is clear that Jesus was saying the man could only divorce his wife if SHE was unfaithful. I don't know if women even had the right to ask for a divorce back then if the husband was unfaithful.
And clearly Jesus is saying you can't stone an adulterer to death any longer, otherwise why would Jesus even bother mentioning it in an example of when you are allowed to divorce and then go on to mention the unfaithful wife remarrying and making her new husband an adulterer? I think he was not only saying that you could divorce in cases of infidelity but that adultery is no longer a death sentence. This is his new covenant rules after all. He stopped them from stoning the adulterous woman, remember? Clearly Jesus is saying you can't kill someone for adultery any more. But you can divorce them.
“For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.” Romans 7:2–3 (KJV 1900)
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Dave keeps claiming the man in the verse was the one who was unfaithful when it is clear that Jesus was saying the man could only divorce his wife if SHE was unfaithful. I don't know if women even had the right to ask for a divorce back then if the husband was unfaithful.
And clearly Jesus is saying you can't stone an adulterer to death any longer, otherwise why would Jesus even bother mentioning it in an example of when you are allowed to divorce and then go on to mention the unfaithful wife remarrying and making her new husband an adulterer? I think he was not only saying that you could divorce in cases of infidelity but that adultery is no longer a death sentence. This is his new covenant rules after all. He stopped them from stoning the adulterous woman, remember? Clearly Jesus is saying you can't kill someone for adultery any more. But you can divorce them.
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Originally posted by Dave L View PostHere's the issue in this post.
Husband (1) commits adultery when he divorced his innocent wife and married wife (2).
The except clause did not work because his wife would have been stoned to death for adultery under Mosaic Law had she been guilty. This would have allowed for his remarriage.
But in this case, the innocent divorced wife also commits adultery along with the man, husband (2) when they marry. The solution?
“So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.” Romans 7:3 (KJV 1900)
A bigger issue.....
This was Old Covenant Law that God replaced with the New Covenant.
The New Covenant does not have a provision for divorce or remarriage.
This is akin to the Church of Christ arguing that there is no provision in the New Testament for musical instruments, therefore, only unaccompanied vocal music is allowed.
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Here's the issue in this post.
Husband (1) commits adultery when he divorced his innocent wife and married wife (2).
The except clause did not work because his wife would have been stoned to death for adultery under Mosaic Law had she been guilty. This would have allowed for his remarriage.
But in this case, the innocent divorced wife also commits adultery along with the man, husband (2) when they marry. The solution?
“So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.” Romans 7:3 (KJV 1900)
A bigger issue.....
This was Old Covenant Law that God replaced with the New Covenant.
The New Covenant does not have a provision for Christian divorce or remarriage.
Those who divorce under pagan law are confirmed in that state of unforgiveness.Last edited by Dave L; 01-14-2022, 08:16 AM.
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Originally posted by Dave L View Post
“And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication (= death by stoning), and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.” Matthew 19:9 (KJV 1900)
Are you divorced and remarried?
Yet another mark of a cultist.
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