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Does the "except clause" of Matthew 19:9 allow divorce and remarriage?

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  • #31
    Dave keeps claiming the man in the verse was the one who was unfaithful when it is clear that Jesus was saying the man could only divorce his wife if SHE was unfaithful. I don't know if women even had the right to ask for a divorce back then if the husband was unfaithful.

    And clearly Jesus is saying you can't stone an adulterer to death any longer, otherwise why would Jesus even bother mentioning it in an example of when you are allowed to divorce and then go on to mention the unfaithful wife remarrying and making her new husband an adulterer? I think he was not only saying that you could divorce in cases of infidelity but that adultery is no longer a death sentence. This is his new covenant rules after all. He stopped them from stoning the adulterous woman, remember? Clearly Jesus is saying you can't kill someone for adultery any more. But you can divorce them.


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    • #32
      Originally posted by Sparko View Post
      Dave keeps claiming the man in the verse was the one who was unfaithful when it is clear that Jesus was saying the man could only divorce his wife if SHE was unfaithful. I don't know if women even had the right to ask for a divorce back then if the husband was unfaithful.

      And clearly Jesus is saying you can't stone an adulterer to death any longer, otherwise why would Jesus even bother mentioning it in an example of when you are allowed to divorce and then go on to mention the unfaithful wife remarrying and making her new husband an adulterer? I think he was not only saying that you could divorce in cases of infidelity but that adultery is no longer a death sentence. This is his new covenant rules after all. He stopped them from stoning the adulterous woman, remember? Clearly Jesus is saying you can't kill someone for adultery any more. But you can divorce them.
      The wife was faithful or she would have been stoned. The husband divorces her anyway and remarries, committing adultery. The innocent wife and her new husband also commit adultery when they remarry. The except clause does not work unless the adulterer dies making remarriage possible.

      “For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.” Romans 7:2–3 (KJV 1900)

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Sparko View Post
        Dave keeps claiming the man in the verse was the one who was unfaithful when it is clear that Jesus was saying the man could only divorce his wife if SHE was unfaithful. I don't know if women even had the right to ask for a divorce back then if the husband was unfaithful.
        Women had the right to divorce, though as your comment indicates, it would be unlikely for infidelity to be considered adequate grounds.

        And clearly Jesus is saying you can't stone an adulterer to death any longer, otherwise why would Jesus even bother mentioning it in an example of when you are allowed to divorce and then go on to mention the unfaithful wife remarrying and making her new husband an adulterer? I think he was not only saying that you could divorce in cases of infidelity but that adultery is no longer a death sentence. This is his new covenant rules after all. He stopped them from stoning the adulterous woman, remember? Clearly Jesus is saying you can't kill someone for adultery any more. But you can divorce them.
        The law provided for the death penalty in the case of adultery - but it wasn't necessarily invoked. At least by the first century, lesser penalties were acceptable.
        Add to your examples the glaringly obvious righteous man's response to (assumed) adultery: Joseph's decision to divorce Mary quietly when he thought that she had been unfaithful.
        1Cor 15:34 εκνηψατε δικαιως και μη αμαρτανετε αγνωσιαν γαρ θεου τινες εχουσιν προς εντροπην υμιν λεγω

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Dave L View Post
          The wife was faithful or she would have been stoned.
          Like the woman caught in adultery and released by Jesus? She got "let off with a warning".

          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

            Like the woman caught in adultery and released by Jesus? She got "let off with a warning".
            There are no divorce allowances under the New Covenant. Especially remarriage.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Dave L View Post

              There are no divorce allowances under the New Covenant. Especially remarriage.
              There are no speeding allowances under the New Covenant. Especially in Ferraris.
              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                There are no speeding allowances under the New Covenant. Especially in Ferraris.
                “For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.” Romans 7:2–3 (KJV 1900)

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Dave L View Post

                  “For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.” Romans 7:2–3 (KJV 1900)
                  You can play Bible Bingo all day long, Dave, ripping verses out of context, but that doesn't change the fact that you seem incapable of exegesis.

                  By the way, did you ever exegete the passage I asked you to do numerous times? (with all the threads you start pretty much simultaneously, it's hard for an old guy like me to keep track.)
                  The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                    You can play Bible Bingo all day long, Dave, ripping verses out of context, but that doesn't change the fact that you seem incapable of exegesis.

                    By the way, did you ever exegete the passage I asked you to do numerous times? (with all the threads you start pretty much simultaneously, it's hard for an old guy like me to keep track.)
                    You are Edited by a Moderator because you cannot disprove what I say.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Dave L View Post
                      You are Edited by a Moderator because you cannot disprove what I say.
                      First of all, you have violated the rules of the board (again) with your goofy false accusation of lying without substantiation.

                      I expressed an opinion, and asked a question. There was no lying there at all.
                      Last edited by QuantaFille; 01-16-2022, 02:12 PM. Reason: Quoting modded content
                      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                        First of all, you have violated the rules of the board (again) with your goofy false accusation of lying without substantiation.

                        I expressed an opinion, and asked a question. There was no lying there at all.
                        If people receive a false impression of me, you are lying.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Dave L View Post
                          If people receive a false impression of me, you are lying.
                          wow ---- you make up your own rules as you go along. Yet ANOTHER mark of a Pharisee.

                          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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