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  • Originally posted by Dave L View Post

    You turn the gospel into law, and grace into works when you preach free will. If you do this, God will do this = works. And it cannot save.
    False. You have no clue what works in the Bible are. No surprise though.
    That's what
    - She

    Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
    - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

    I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
    Stephen R. Donaldson

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    • Total Depravity at Wikipedia.

      I am inclined not to accept the "Total Inability" understanding, rather like I don't accept the "inherited guilt" version of Original Sin.
      Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.

      Beige Federalist.

      "Everybody is somebody's heretic."

      Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.

      Proud member of the LGBFJB community.

      Would-be Grand Vizier of the Padishah Maxi-Super-Ultra-Hyper-Mega-MAGA King Trumpius Rex.

      Justice for Ashli Babbitt!

      Justice for Matthew Perna!

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      • Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post
        Total Depravity at Wikipedia.

        I am inclined not to accept the "Total Inability" understanding, rather like I don't accept the "inherited guilt" version of Original Sin.
        The grammar here kinda doesn't make sense to me. Could you rephrase that?

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        • Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post

          False. You have no clue what works in the Bible are. No surprise though.
          Works place God in a position of owing you something as the law did. You have a false gospel twisted into Law that does the same. “Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.” Romans 4:4 (KJV 1900)

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          • Originally posted by Dave L View Post

            Works place God in a position of owing you something as the law did. You have a false gospel twisted into Law that does the same. “Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.” Romans 4:4 (KJV 1900)
            As I said, no clue what the Bible calls works.
            That's what
            - She

            Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
            - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

            I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
            Stephen R. Donaldson

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            • Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post

              As I said, no clue what the Bible calls works.
              It's the same as OT Law. You twist the gospel into a false system of works by Law.

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              • Originally posted by Dave L View Post

                It's the same as OT Law.
                Which has nothing to do with a free will confession. So you know what the Bible calls works. Now, I challenge you to find confessing Christ among the Torah laws.
                That's what
                - She

                Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
                - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

                I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
                Stephen R. Donaldson

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                • Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post

                  Which has nothing to do with a free will confession. So you know what the Bible calls works. Now, I challenge you to find confessing Christ among the Torah laws.
                  Free will = salvation by works and worse. You must perform a work of obedience. God then owes you salvation. But what's worse?

                  You turn God into a bully that threatens eternal torture if you don't "say uncle" or whatever your cult tells you to do. And then bribes you with pleasure (heaven) if you do.... Hint; This is not Christianity.

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                  • Originally posted by Dave L View Post

                    Free will = salvation by works and worse. You must perform a work of obedience. God then owes you salvation. But what's worse?
                    Ignorant claptrap. Not a lick of truth here. Free will is none of that.

                    You turn God into a bully that threatens eternal torture if you don't "say uncle" or whatever your cult tells you to do. And then bribes you with pleasure (heaven) if you do.... Hint; This is not Christianity.
                    Your stench of faux-Christianity turns God into a spiritual rapist. You have NO moral high ground.
                    That's what
                    - She

                    Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
                    - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

                    I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
                    Stephen R. Donaldson

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                    • Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post

                      Ignorant claptrap. Not a lick of truth here. Free will is none of that.



                      Your stench of faux-Christianity turns God into a spiritual rapist. You have NO moral high ground.
                      You cannot disprove me on anything I say. I make sure of that before I post. But you destroy God's image pushing free will, as I pointed out.

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                      • Originally posted by Dave L View Post

                        You cannot disprove me on anything I say. I make sure of that before I post. But you destroy God's image pushing free will, as I pointed out.
                        You can claim that all you want, but the Bible is clearly on the side of free will. You destroy the image of the love of God by turning God into a rapist. Good job...
                        That's what
                        - She

                        Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
                        - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

                        I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
                        Stephen R. Donaldson

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                        • Originally posted by Dave L View Post
                          Free will = salvation by works and worse.
                          No, we clearly believe we "work" BECAUSE we are saved, not to obtain salvation.

                          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                          • Everybody in the Bible worked, did something, to be saved.

                            Before Jesus's work, people obeyed the law. They did not receive what was promised because the Land, Rest, was not ready yet. But they were set up, appointed, ordained, lined up, to enter what was promised.

                            After Jesus finished His work, went to the Father, people who were saved received what was promised, together with the OT believers, and what was received was better than the latter expected: it wasn't a Garden, it wasn't Land, it was a room in a Mansion, a Kingdom. All this for the people who believed Jesus.

                            People think belief is not a work, but it is. First believers said they wanted to switch loyalty from the world to Jesus, then they showed that loyalty. What people call using lip service loyalty, followed by demonstration loyalty. After that demonstrating, proving, they could enter Rest, the desired destination, result.

                            The problem with those who were officialy promised Rest was that they believed God had promised it only to Abraham's children, identified by circumcision. But Paul proved that Abraham was saved (or was started in the process of being saved) before he was circumcised.

                            That's how he convinced the Jews that new believers didn't have to be circumcised, but could start the process of salvation by just believing, lip service loyalty.

                            Scholars make the mistake today of thinking Paul was against work, doing. He wasn't. He was against the old way of officially starting the process.

                            Which, by the way didn't work. Jews who were circumcised as babies, but didn't obey the law (who didn't believe God wanted them to obey the law, just possess it, like the Pharisee in the Temple, who tithed, but neglected the weightier requirements of the law, justice, mercy, loving God) were not justified.

                            But the Publican, who believed the weightier requirements of the law were necessary, shown by his sorrow at failing (which one of us hasn't failed, when we tried?) was justified.

                            In fact, when Gentiles who through conscience believe it is God speaking, and, by trying to live by it, are actually trying to obey the weightier requirements of the law, their un-circumcision becomes circumcision. They are also justified like the Publican. They are also ordained to be saved.

                            Acts 13
                            48And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.
                            ...

                            As mentioned before in other posts, each idea presented is like thread in a ball of wool. You can trace it and pull it out to reveal a fuller teaching. Knock yourself out.


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