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  • #46
    Originally posted by tabibito View Post

    Given that the word is πιστις (pistis) it would be quite a surprise if some Bibles didn't translate it as "faith." Koine Greek does not distinguish between the two.
    Well, there's that.
    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

      Well, there's that.
      And come to think of it - nor did English, back in the when. There are still remnants, such as "Keeping faith with someone" or "acting in good faith" but they are few and seldom used.
      1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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      Scripture before Tradition:
      but that won't prevent others from
      taking it upon themselves to deprive you
      of the right to call yourself Christian.
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      • #48
        [QUOTE=Zymologist;n1341058]
        Originally posted by Dave L View Post

        What would you say is the correct answer to the question "What must I do to be saved?"
        The correct answer is "Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ - which necessarily entails believe what he said. You can't make a valid claim to believe in someone if you don't believe them."
        1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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        Scripture before Tradition:
        but that won't prevent others from
        taking it upon themselves to deprive you
        of the right to call yourself Christian.
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        • #49
          Originally posted by tabibito View Post

          And come to think of it - nor did English, back in the when. There are still remnants, such as "Keeping faith with someone" or "acting in good faith" but they are few and seldom used.
          I checked Young's Literal - I was sold then!
          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

            I checked Young's Literal - I was sold then!
            Did you get a good price for yourself?
            1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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            Scripture before Tradition:
            but that won't prevent others from
            taking it upon themselves to deprive you
            of the right to call yourself Christian.
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            • #51
              Originally posted by tabibito View Post

              Did you get a good price for yourself?
              A buck three ninety eight!
              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                A buck three ninety eight!
                I heard inflation was a problem in America. Now I believe it.
                1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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                Scripture before Tradition:
                but that won't prevent others from
                taking it upon themselves to deprive you
                of the right to call yourself Christian.
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                • #53
                  Originally posted by tabibito View Post

                  I heard inflation was a problem in America. Now I believe it.
                  The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by tabibito View Post





                    That says that confessing with the mouth is what saves, not faith.
                    But you must "believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead" which sure sounds like faith.

                    I'm always still in trouble again

                    "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                    "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                    "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Dave L View Post
                      God saves, faith follows.
                      God extends His grace to all. Faith allows us to receive it. When we receive it we are saved.

                      I'm always still in trouble again

                      "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                      "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                      "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                        But you must "believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead" which sure sounds like faith.
                        I make no argument that faith is not involved - with the proviso that believing in Christ inextricably involves believing what he says - as no claim to believe in anyone is credible if you don't believe what they say.

                        The claim that faith is the sole factor is, however, entirely discredited by scripture, and in Romans 10:10, the outcome of believing is righteousness, not salvation.
                        Last edited by tabibito; 01-11-2022, 10:24 AM.
                        1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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                        Scripture before Tradition:
                        but that won't prevent others from
                        taking it upon themselves to deprive you
                        of the right to call yourself Christian.
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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Dave L View Post

                          You probably are already saved or you would not be asking the question. Jesus says whoever believes has eternal life. Asking verifies that you believe.
                          Was the jailer who asked the question in Acts 16 already saved?
                          I DENOUNCE DONALD J. TRUMP AND ALL HIS IMMORAL ACTS.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Zymologist View Post

                            Was the jailer who asked the question in Acts 16 already saved?
                            He was already saved or he would not have asked. Jesus said whoever believes has eternal life. Again. this guy believed or he would not have asked.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Dave L View Post

                              He was already saved or he would not have asked. Jesus said whoever believes has eternal life. Again. this guy believed or he would not have asked.
                              Then why was Paul and Silas' answer to this very question "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved"?
                              I DENOUNCE DONALD J. TRUMP AND ALL HIS IMMORAL ACTS.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Zymologist View Post

                                Then why was Paul and Silas' answer to this very question "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved"?
                                Paul reassured him as a fellow believer. Your works theology prevents you from seeing this.

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