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Nothing in what I said could possibly have led to that conclusion, that I said the Holy Spirit is immediately given.
Where do you get the idea that I claimed that "People receive the Holy Spirit just because they have witnessed a miracle?" I said the experience of receiving the Holy Spirit is the same as witnessing miracles, seeing suffering and rescues. Shown in the cases of Abraham, Israel and Christ. Their experiences of the faith strengthening ministry of the Holy Spirit. Whilst Jesus and Abraham learned from the suffering, only Caleb succeeded amongst the Israelites. Can you understand that? It's all there, in the text. Why can't you see?
Heb 5
8Although He was a Son, He learned obedience from the things which He suffered.
The rest of your post exhibits the same miscomprehension and misstatements of my views! You are indulging in logical fallacies, creating strawmen.
Originally posted by footwasher
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The real teaching is that, ultimately, God decides when the time is right. If there is good reason for delay, there will be a delay. Which CP alluded to earlier.
People don't necessarily receive the Holy Spirit just because they have witnessed a miracle, or even many miracles. There is no correlation between suffering and the receipt of the Holy Spirit, though people can receive the Holy Spirit while they are suffering, and often suffer afterwards as a result. Being rescued is a result of grace, the conduit (the thing that makes reception of grace possible) is faith (not belief, but commitment.) as in keeping faith, or acting in good faith.
Heb 5
8Although He was a Son, He learned obedience from the things which He suffered.
The rest of your post exhibits the same miscomprehension and misstatements of my views! You are indulging in logical fallacies, creating strawmen.
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