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  • There is No Gospel without teaching the Triune God involved in salvation, The Father, Son, and Holy Ghost each effects Salvation for the elect of God..

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    • The Two Heads


      The elect have Two Heads, The Lord Jesus Christ, and Adam..of course Jesus Christ is their head before Adam is, for in all things He [ Jesus Christ] has the preeminence. Col 1 18

      18And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

      And as there is a distinction in the Two Heads, One Earthly and One Heavenly, so there is a difference in the Lives they bring forth..

      Remember as there was life [natural] of men in Adam, so likewise there was life of men in Jesus Christ jn 1:

      4In him was life [Spiritual]; and the life was the light [spiritual] of men.

      NOTE: This verse is not referring to natural life or light, the elect have that in adam!

      As the Head of the seed, adam had all the natural lives of the elect in Him, [gen 1:26] and as the Head of the seed, Jesus had all the Spiritual lives of the elect in Him..

      The unions of each head to their seed are different, one began in time [adam] and is earthy as in 1 Cor 15:49

      49And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

      There is no uncertainty or chance here, but all working to Gods eternal purpose. As the elect had a time set in the purpose of God to bare the image of their earthly head, so likewise He has a set purpose and time for each of them to bare image of their heavenly head.

      Ecc 3:2

      To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:

      2 A time to be born [naturally and spiritually], and a time to die;

      The other union [spiritual] began before time began and will last throughout Eternity.

      The elect by nature in their head adam are born under the Law, and by nature deserving of wrath as others [non elect] and we act as they do to, if not even worse in some cases.

      But in our head Jesus Christ, The Only begotten of the Father, was setup, and in Him the elect have always been under the everlasting covenant, ordained in all things [both spiritual and physical] and sure..

      Our foreunion [Head] to adam is made manifest when we [the elect] are born of the flesh, but our foreunion [Head] to Jesus Christ is made manifest by our New Birth of the Spirit.

      This why Jesus said to Nicodemus, unless a man is born again of the Spirit, he shall not see or enter the kingdom of God, because that is what makes manifest their eternal union and heirship with Jesus Christ..1

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      • Union with Jesus Christ


        The elect must have had a Union with Jesus Christ when He died in their stead and place or else His death could not have been judicial and expiate their sins, No justice would have been done, if union was not there and they weren't constituted all one in the eyes of Gods offended Law.

        If no union existed, God could not be just in justifying, those believing in Jesus. He [ Jesus] must be united to his church before He could suffer for her and in her stead, else Jesus' death really had no justice in it for them.

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        • Eternal Union a Gospel Truth Heb 2:11

          Heb 2:11

          11For both he [Jesus Christ] that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,

          This is a very important Gospel Truth that the religion of man ministers and followers neglect..

          And that's the Eternal Union and Oneness of Jesus Christ and His elect..

          They are all of one. This truth is seen also in Romans 8:28-29

          28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

          29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

          Jesus himself being a Son vs 29, then He and the [many brethren]

          must have been born of the same seed, the Same parentage, [ Pre Creation] and be Sons together. Hence All of One [ Heb 2 11]

          Jesus Christ was the only Begotten and Firstborn of the Father, with a [spiritual] seed or offspring or posterity in Him. Thats why Jesus told mary this:

          Jn 20:17

          17Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

          You see, mary and the other disciples as well as future believers in Him , He is their Firstborn brother and all of One Father and Seed..

          Jesus Christ acknowledges the Many Sons as His Brethren and His children spiritually, Isa 9:6

          6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

          He is the everlasting Father of the elect only in a spiritual sense as we were His seed and one with Him. He was a spiritual progenitor because we are born again of Him as the Word of God..1 Pet 1:23

          Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

          He is the incorruptible seed of which the elect receive their spiritual lives from..

          Just as we received our physical lives from our natural head adam, but that's corruptible seed, but He incorruptible seed..

          Just as the elect had a real union with adam, that is made manifest by the coming forth of our physical lives of corruption, so likewise the elect had a real union with Jesus Christ that is made manifest by the bringing forth of our spiritual lives of incorruption.. So Jesus Christ and his brethren are all of one.1

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          • Eternal Union a Gospel Truth / Joint Heirs


            Heb 2:11

            11For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,

            This oneness of the elect of God and the Lord Jesus christ, all being of one seed, is foundational as to why believers have been Joint Heirs with Jesus christ per Rom 8:17

            17And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

            You see, Jesus Christ was Heir of the World before it was created, in fact it was created or made by Him and for Him..

            2Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

            The world was made by him that had been appointed Heir of all things. And hence, this is the elects joint heirship with Jesus Christ..remember paul said to the corinths in 1 Cor 3:21

            21Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are your's;

            22Whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; all are your's; 23And ye are Christ's; and Christ is God's.

            Paul is referring to Heb 1 2 here in 1 Cor 3..

            Again all things were made by Him [the Heir] and for Him per Col 1:16-17

            16For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

            17And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

            Jesus Christ was the Heir of the world [all things] and because the elect were of one with Him [ Heb 2 11] and His brethren / children=seed they too Joint heirs with Jesus Christ..

            This had nothing to do with mans freewill choice, water baptism and all of that false teaching going on these days, not even mans faith caused any of this, but this truth is grounded in eternal election in Christ before the world began, as being of His seed..

            This passage Gal 3: 16- 29 Identifies Jesus Christ and subsequent believers as the One Seed of Abraham..not seeds as in many, but seed, which is Christ..

            Simply this the single seed Christ, stands for the plural members of that one seed..

            Gal 3:16

            16Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

            Christ is made up of many members 1 Cor 12:12

            12For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.

            This is a very important truth, the eternal union of the elect with their head and heir of the world Jesus christ..

            It is to the Heirs, [Joint heirs] that salvation is promised and communicated to Heb 1:14

            14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

            on Hebrews 1 14 John Gill writes:

            "Sent forth to minister for them who shall be the heirs of salvation?
            the persons they minister to, and for, are those, who shall be the heirs of salvation; that is, of eternal glory, which will be possessed by the saints, as an inheritance: hence it belongs to children, being bequeathed to them by their Father, and comes to them through the death of Christ, of which the Spirit is the earnest; and this shows that it is not of works, and that it is of an eternal duration, and takes in all kind of happiness: and of this the saints are heirs now; and so the Ethiopic version renders it, "who are heirs of salvation"; nor should it be rendered, "who shall be heirs", but rather, "who shall inherit salvation"; for this character respects not their heirship, but their actual inheriting of salvation:"

            For the elect are Heirs of salvation even when born sinners by nature. Because of their eternal union with Jesus Christ, being his seed.

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            • The Gospel of the Kingdom


              Matt 24:14

              14And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

              I know how the antichrist ministers and followers have corrupted this text to say it applies to the Jews and some future kingdom..

              But thats not true, its the same Gospel of Jesus Christ that Paul preached and any other God called preacher of God preached.

              But I will say this, Spiritually, this Gospel is for the Jews,[ Rom 2 :28,29] and for those who are part of a Kingdom [ Jn 18:36].

              The Gospel of the Kingdom is for those who have been birthed into the kingdom of God by the Holy Ghost Jn 3:3,5

              3Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

              5Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

              also Col 1:12-13

              12Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet [By New Birth] to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:


              13Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

              Its only then can a person come to understand the Gospel of the kingdom, after having been birthed into or translated into the Kingdom of God and or of His Dear Son. This is accomplished by the Holy Ghost..

              Matt 13:11

              11He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you[disciples] to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

              BTW, this above scripture proves that the disciples had been born again into the kingdom of God already, for Jesus Christ to make this statement to them..

              We must not forget that Paul says that the gospel is a mystery message, Paul says this in more than one way and place..1 Cor 2:2,7

              2For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

              7But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

              Did you catch this ? Please notice how Paul is equating preaching Jesus Christ in vs 2 , with speaking the wisdom of God in a mystery, hidden wisdom in vs

              7 ! Also this wisdom of the Gospel was ordained before the world for our [ the whole election of grace] glory..

              The word ordained is the greek word:

              proorizō which means:

              1) to predetermine, decide beforehand
              2) in the NT of God decreeing from eternity
              3) to foreordain, appoint beforehand

              This wisdom [Gospel of Jesus Christ] is hidden from the wise and prudent of the world per Matt 11:25-26

              25At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

              26Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight.

              Revealed unto babes perhaps newborn babes as in 1 Pet 2:2

              As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:

              or the little children given him of the Father as in Heb 2:13

              And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me.

              The word children here is

              paidion and means:

              young child, a little boy, a little girl
              a) infants
              b) children, little ones
              c) an infant
              1) of a (male) child just recently born


              So that would refer to being born into the Kingdom jn 3 3..

              Back to 1 Cor 2 7 where the Gospel of christ is called wisdom, hidden wisdom, this synchronizes with Jesus Christ being the wisdom of God 1 Cor 1:24

              24But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God. cp Prov 8:22ff

              The point here however is that Preaching Christ and him crucified is a Gospel kingdom Mystery, not for the natural man at all..

              Paul says this in Eph 6:19

              19And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel, cp

              1 Cor 2:7

              7But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

              Teaching and preaching, and making known the mysterious complex person of Jesus Christ 1 Tim 3:16

              16And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

              He as the God-Man Mediator, His Pre existence as the head of His body the church as in Col 1:17-18

              17And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

              18And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning,

              the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. 19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;

              The head of the church, those chosen in Him before the foundation of the world, the Mystery of who His church is, comprised of both jew and gentile, the spiritual seed of Abraham..these gospel kingdom topics are wrote about prominently in Eph 2 , 3 and Rom 11..

              All of this comprises the Gospel that the apostles preached and this was nothing short of the Gospel of the kingdom of God, to be understood by a Kingdom People..Matt 13:19

              19When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not [not born again into the Kingdom], then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.

              23But he that received seed into the good ground [Kingdom ground] is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.

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              • What God done for the elect !

                In proclaiming his Gospel, Paul writes this:

                1 Cor 1:30

                30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

                God has made Jesus Christ this [these things] unto us first and foremost imputatively, by an Eternal act of His Mind, whereas He declared it so and it was So..

                2 Cor 5:21

                21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.


                These things God has done for us [ Through Jesus Christ] before what He does in us [ Through the Holy Ghost]


                The things that God has done for the elect through Jesus Christ [good news] is the foundation for the things he does in the elect through The Holy Ghost.

                Those reconciled to God by the death of Gods Son, are called into participation of that reconciliation by the The Holy Ghost of God hence

                2 Cor 5:19-20


                19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. [ for us]

                20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God. [in us]

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                • What God done for the elect !


                  This is where the calvinist go wrong, in addition to their christology, and that is the point of special faith, that act of the elect through the work of the Holy Ghost, when given to apprehend the righteousness of Jesus christ for Justification of life. This special faith does not give the elect the right to Justification of life [ causatively], but, by Faith they come to enjoy it and finding consciously that peace between them and God on behalf of Jesus Christ obedience on their behalf.

                  The Actual Justification of life, is an eternal immanent act of God the Father, who from everlasting, gave or imputed it to the elect world 2 Cor 5:19

                  19To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

                  This is simple, the elect world never had their sins laid personally to their charge, because they were laid to the charge of Jesus Christ. And in turn His righteousness was imputed to them, which is their Justification before God.

                  The Holy Ghost in time and during the lifetime of each vessel of mercy, He is sent to make Known this Justification that the elect had in their Head from everlasting, even before their creation and subsequent fall in Adam.

                  Both the Arminian and the todays Calvinist deny Justification before God solely on the merits of Jesus Christ.

                  Here be the difference. The arminian believes they are Justified by the flesh, in other words, they deny the need of regeneration to be Justified before God, just an act of their will can produce Justification, their believing, whereas the calvinist believe a work of the Holy Spirit is needed to make one Justified before God, but both teachings deny Justification before God solely by the Work of Jesus Christ alone, apart from freewill and apart from regeneration and faith.2

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                  • Preaching the record God has given of His Son


                    1 Jn 5:10-11

                    10He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

                    11
                    And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

                    The Gospel is a testimonial of The record that God has given us [ the election] of His Son, of which testimony, its declared that God has given to us eternal life, and that it was in His Son..

                    Only those whom God calls and equip with a understanding of the Gospel and of His Son, are qualified to bear witness of this Gospel record and what it entails.

                    The Gospel elucidates what it means when John writes, that this life was given us in His Son.

                    For when was the us in the Son? Well, first of all, by election, we [ the elect] were in Him before the foundation of the World.

                    Eph 1:3-4

                    3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

                    4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

                    2 Tim 1:9

                    9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

                    Titus 1:1

                    1Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;

                    2In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised [to His Son and his Sons seed in Him] before the world began;

                    This is the record God has given to His Holy Apostles as here testified by them.

                    The Fact of a previous Union with Christ is the basis for all spiritual life that the elect experience in this life and that one to come..

                    In other words, A life must have been given us [ the elect] in Jesus Christ the Son of God, before the world began, before we partake of it Here below by the New Birth.

                    The exact is True of the elect's physical life in Adam, that it existed in Adam before it was later manifested via physical birth of our parents.

                    Our being born into the natural world, did not make us the sons or daughters of Adam and eve, for eve was declared to be the Mother of the Living before her children were born. Gen 3:20

                    And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.

                    Now, who was actually living then, besides her head and husband?

                    But they had a seed in them, in the head of course, and she even later testifies to it here Gen 4:25

                    And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me [Under Adam] another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.

                    Her seed must be Adams seed also, for He is Her Head.

                    So back to the point, the elect had a union with Adam, and were his children in Him, before they became manifested by natural birth.

                    so it can be truly said, that the record proves, that God had given us life [physical] and this Life was in His Son Adam. who could deny it, if it wasn't true, the elect could not have been brought forth physically and been manifested.

                    Now, and So likewise, our [ The elect] generation or birth Spiritually, is the Manifestation of that Life which was given us [ the elect] in Christ before the World began, and this is why later in our lifetime we are manifested as Gods children by new birth. for the new birth of every child of God is merely a manifestation of them having been in Jesus Christ [Gods Son] as His seed, just as our physical birth is merely a manifestation of having been Adam's natural seed.

                    Both manifestations required a previous Union with a Head .and this previous union with Jesus Christ is a gospel truth of the record that God gave of His Son to the Apostles, and in turned they preached or bare witness to the same.

                    John writes 1 Jn 5:11

                    11And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

                    This gives us to understand, that the Apostles believed and preached eternal life given based upon a previous union we [ the elect] had with the Son of God a life we had in Him, though not yet manifested.

                    And those who don't believe this record, this witness, has made God a Liar.

                    10He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. 2
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                    • 1 Cor 10:17

                      17 For we being many are one bread, and one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread.

                      Paul here is speaking to those who are the called, the church of God, the sanctified in Christ Jesus , the chosen i.e 1 Cor 1:1-2

                      1 Paul called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother,

                      2Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours's:

                      Paul tells a Gospel Truth, A mystery in Fact, How that believers had been one body, though many members, yet one body..

                      Jesus Christ died for His body, those whom He was One with, He as their Head, they His body..

                      For from the beginning, the beginning of all things, Jesus Christ existed as the Head of His body per Col 1:17-18

                      17And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

                      18And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

                      Note, Who is the beginning as the Head of the body, the church. That means that we [ the elect, the church] was with Him in the beginning. Our Life or the lives of His Members, His body, was with Him in the beginning.

                      Now get this, Jesus Christ body was broken for those who were His body.

                      1 Cor 11: 23, 24

                      23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:

                      24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.

                      Talking about understanding the Union between Jesus Christ and His body..

                      If this doesn't prove particular redemption, then nothing does Jesus Christ death, the breaking of His body, was for His body..

                      Paul says in Eph 5 that the Lord is the Saviour of the body: vs 23

                      For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the Saviour of the body.

                      He is the Saviour of the body, His body, the church, why ? Because She His Body, the Church, Sinned in adam her natural head.

                      And Paul is saying here, that Jesus Christ is the Saviour of His Body, the church of which He is Head of. and Jesus Christ was not the head of the seed of the serpent eve Gen 3 15.

                      His body becoming sinful by her sin in Adam, He took it as His responsibility, for He was legally able to [being her Head], to suffer Her punishment, that she deserved, for breaking Gods Law.

                      Thats why Paul says that He is the Saviour of the body. When the body, the church sinned in Adam, she, though sinful and reprehensible, was not responsible for the legal guilt [condemnation] that she incurred, but the legal guilt [condemnation] was transferred [or imputed] to her Head, The Lord Jesus Christ. God viewed, not her, but Her head as the guilty party, though He did no sin [ personally].Because she sinned, His body, He, The Lord Christ her head, must die..

                      Lk 9:22

                      Saying, The Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be slain, and be raised the third day.

                      Why must he be slain, because His body, his wife, his members, sinned against His and their Father.

                      You see , even Gods Love for His own Son, and His body, could not set aside, or wink at the Justice due to His broken Law by them.though they [his members] did not have to die, He must Job says:

                      Job 33:24

                      Then he is gracious unto him, and saith, Deliver him from going down to the pit: I have found a ransom.

                      Zech 9 11

                      11As for thee also, by the blood of thy covenant I have sent forth thy prisoners [your members] out of the pit wherein is no water.

                      This would be the blood of the everlasting covenant whereby Jesus was made a surety for His body, His wife, His church..

                      Again, Jesus Christ body was broken for those who were His body.. 1 Cor 12:27

                      27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.

                      Eph 1:22-23

                      22And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,

                      23Which is his body
                      , the fulness of him that filleth all in all.

                      He gave himself for his church, the body Eph 5:30

                      30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.

                      25
                      Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church [ his body], and gave himself for it [His body or church];

                      Folk this is the Mystery Paul was given to Preach. Eph 5:31-32


                      31For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.

                      32This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church
                      .

                      Jesus left His Father and was Joined to His wife, by becoming Flesh per Heb 2:14

                      14Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

                      Jesus became one flesh with His wife, Joined Her here on earth.

                      His incarnation into flesh and blood was his joining her and becoming one flesh with her save the sin. He was in the likeness of sinful flesh. and did not become a sinner as they had became in the flesh .but nevertheless, though she had become sinful, He was not ashamed of Her still.

                      Heb 2:11

                      11For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,

                      The Fall of the body of Christ in Adam, did not deter his great love for her .because nevertheless, they were one, all of one Father.

                      as the Mystery is unveiled we have Gen 2 :24

                      24Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh. cp Heb 2:14

                      14Forasmuch then as the children [body] are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

                      Eph 5:30-32

                      30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.

                      31
                      For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.

                      32This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

                      This is a great mystery, vs 30..that sinful men and women by nature, were members of his body, of his flesh, and his bones. That they were one flesh.

                      This is the Mystery of the Gospel which was revealed to him per Gal 1:11-12

                      11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.

                      12
                      For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

                      Paul said the Gospel, which was preached of him, is not after man, but by Revelation of Jesus Christ.

                      Jesus Christ revealed the Mystery of the gospel, and for whom it was that He died for. It was for His wife, his members, His body..

                      That was the Mystery revealed to Him, and he boldly preached it Eph 6:19

                      19 And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,

                      Paul preached this mystery to the Corinthians, for He restates he received it 1 Cor 15:3-4

                      3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures.

                      4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

                      he spoke of it as a mystery to them 1 Cor 2:7

                      7But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

                      we know he viewed them as Jesus Christ wife or bride 2 Cor 11:2

                      2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

                      one husband, because He knew by Revelation, that Jesus Christ only laid down His Life for his body, whom He was one flesh with, His wife. that's a great mystery.

                      And if one is preaching any other gospel, universalism, unlimited atonement, freewill-ism , its not according to truth

                      if one is not preaching that Christ died for His church, His wife, His body, but adds to it, its because they are unenlightened

                      And, The devil and His children, have no part in this matter and salvation.

                      Comment


                      • The Gospel Promises, the blessings of the everlasting covenant, are only applied [ by the Holy Ghost] to the seed of the women [ which is Jesus Christ and His body] in distinction to the seed of the serpent.

                        Gen 3:15

                        15And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

                        Let's look two passages first, the Typical Christ in David:

                        Ps 89:1

                        3I have made a covenant with my chosen, I have sworn unto David my servant, cp with

                        3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

                        4According as he hath chosen us in him [ David or Jesus Christ] before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

                        Remember David speaking of His house? This too is typical of the Anti-type of Jesus Christ.

                        2 Sam 23:5

                        Although my [David] house be not so with God; yet he hath made with me an everlasting covenant, ordered in all things, and sure: for this is all my salvation, and all my desire, although he make it not to grow.

                        What's ordered in all things and sure? All the promises. Hence all the Gospel Promises centered in the everlasting covenant to Jesus Christ, the Anti-typical David, and to His seed in Him. You see Jesus and His members are one. He is their head, they, his body.

                        That seed of the women Gen 3:15, is the same as the election of grace Rom 11:5

                        5Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

                        The seed of the women are those children of promise counted for the seed Rom 9:8

                        8That is, they which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

                        And those under the purpose of election Rom 9:11

                        11(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth


                        This includes the elect seed of all time, of all nationalities. The seed of Abraham. 2

                        Comment


                        • Forgiveness of sins !

                          The Gospel Promises The Forgiveness of sins.

                          This forgiveness is not conditioned on anything the forgiven must do or say, like confession, repenting, or believing. None of that, but all the stipulations and conditions were fulfilled by their Covenant Head, and His redemptive blood Eph 1:7

                          7In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

                          The word forgiveness is the greek word:

                          aphesis which means:

                          release from bondage or imprisonment

                          2) forgiveness or pardon, of sins (letting them go as if they had never been committed), remission of the penalty

                          , Remission is the ideal, God letting them go as if they never had been committed. Remission of the penalty of sin period, past, present and future sin has been remitted and why ?

                          Not because of anything done by the sinner, but by grace by the blood of Christ. According according to the riches of Gods Grace.

                          This is a Covenant blessing however for a Covenant People Heb 8:10-12


                          10For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

                          11And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

                          12For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

                          They will be remembered no more, because they have been taken out of the way by the cross .the lamb, the scapegoat.

                          Remember the scapegoat on the day of the atonement?

                          Lev 16:7-10;20-22

                          7And he shall take the two goats and present them before the LORD at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation.

                          8And Aaron shall cast lots upon the two goats; one lot for the LORD, and the other lot for the scapegoat.

                          9And Aaron shall bring the goat upon which the LORD's lot fell and offer him for a sin offering.

                          10 But the goat, on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat, shall be presented alive before the LORD, to make an atonement with him, and to let him go for a scapegoat into the wilderness.

                          Now further down:


                          20And when he hath made an end of reconciling the holy place, and the tabernacle of the congregation, and the altar, he shall bring the live goat:

                          21And Aaron shall lay both his hands upon the head of the live goat, and confess over him all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their

                          transgressions in all their sins,
                          putting them upon the head of the goat, and shall send him away by the hand of a fit man into the wilderness:

                          22And the goat shall bear upon him all their iniquities unto a land not inhabited: and he shall let go the goat in the wilderness.


                          Now, whose sins and transgressions were sent away, remitted?

                          This is important .lets look at verse 21

                          21And Aaron shall lay both his hands upon the head of the live goat, and confess over him all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions in all their sins, putting them upon the head of the goat, and shall send him away by the hand of a fit man into the wilderness:

                          A specific people, Gods chosen covenant people. all the rest of the world of peoples were omitted by God, God was pleased that they remain in ignorance.

                          And so it is today, The forgiveness of sin the Gospel proclaims is for the anti typical Children of Israel by which the writer of hebrews means in Heb 8:8-13

                          10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

                          11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

                          12For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

                          13In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

                          And this covenant people partake of the New Covenant in Jesus Christ blood, which is shed for many, why ? For the remission [ forgiveness] of sins.. Matt 26:28


                          28 For this is my blood of the new testament[covenant], which is shed for many [The New Covenant Israel] for the remission of sins.

                          This is the Gospel I preach today, if one belongs to the new covenant Israel, the elect people of God, for you, Jesus Christ has shed his blood, for the remission of your sins, they are forgiven today, for Christ sake.

                          Comment



                          • Who Christ gave Himself for!

                            Eph 5:25

                            25Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

                            It cant be no plainer than this, That scripture tells us who Christ particularly Loved and whom He gave [ His life] Himself for..

                            He died for the church, the ekklessia..when Paul wrote in 1 Cor 15:3

                            3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

                            Paul here was not speaking of every human being, but of His church, his body.. for His church and body are the same..

                            Col 1:18

                            18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

                            24 Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:

                            Notice, he endures afflictions for Christ body sake, the church, and it is for those of the body who are yet unconverted..

                            Just because an elect or a member of Christ body is born in sin, dead spiritually, enemies of God in their natural minds this doesn't mean they are not of His body, the church..

                            The church whom Christ Loved and gave Himself for, is that same entity he is said to have come and to seek and to save that [it] which was Lost

                            Lk 19:10

                            10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.

                            The That in this verse, is the same as the it in Eph 5:25-26

                            Eph 5:25

                            25Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;


                            The reason why Jesus Christ gave Himself for the church is twofold:

                            #1. vs 26

                            26That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,

                            For the purpose of its being sanctified, and cleansed with the washing of the Word..

                            The church needs to be sanctified and cleansed because its sinful by nature, all its members are by nature children of wrath [ not the devils children] by nature.

                            She is Sanctified by the Holy Ghost, and washed in the Truth of the Gospel The same order as in 2 Thess 2:13

                            13But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation

                            through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

                            So that's one reason why Jesus Christ gave himself for the church!

                            #2.vs 27

                            27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.

                            That He may perfect Her, Not they themselves, but that's His Goal through His giving himself for Her.to bring her to perfection without blemish before the Throne of His Father..

                            The writer in Hebrews says:

                            Heb 10:14

                            14For by one offering he [Jesus Christ] hath perfected for ever them[The church] that are sanctified.

                            The church has a Triune sanctification, by the Father in her election Jude 1:1

                            1Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:

                            By the Son Heb 13:12

                            Wherefore Jesus also, that he [The Son] might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.

                            And of course the holy Ghost 2 Thess 2:13

                            13But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the Truth.


                            This is the purpose for Jesus Christ giving himself for the church, the called out ones, not the whole world of men, to include the devils seed, but to His body, the church, bone of His bone and flesh of his flesh..

                            Thats the gospel 2

                            Comment



                            • Eph 3:6

                              6That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

                              The Gospel Promises has always only been for a certain people, and not for all the world as in individuals, but it was now being manifested that it was for all the world geographically..in other words, the certain people for whom the gospel promises are for, did not just reside in the land of Israel, but that the seed of Abraham's was world wide and included the gentiles.

                              Thats why it was written by Paul about Abraham that God preached the Gospel to Him by saying:

                              Gal 3:8

                              8And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen[gentiles] through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

                              hence Abraham's expectation was not merely a plot of land as His Canaan of promise, but the world..

                              Rom 4 13

                              13For the promise, that he[ Abraham] should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law ,[National Israel] but through the righteousness of faith.

                              This is pretty plain, that the Gospel promises to Abraham were not to His seed through the Law, meaning that earthly people that was delivered out of Egypt and given the Law Covenant at Sinai..

                              But through the righteousness of Faith, that perceived righteousness by the obedience of the One coming, Jesus Christ ..

                              Now back in my text it reads that the gentiles were partakers of the same promises.

                              Which promises of the Gospel were grounded in the New Covenant to who ? To all the world? No.

                              The New Covenant promises of the Gospel were never for all the world [ as individuals] but for a specific people, the House of Israel.

                              Lets look as Jer 31:31-34

                              31Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

                              Now, where is the Promise to all individuals in the world in this promise ? Its not. but to a distinct people. the House of Judah and Israel which are the same, for Judah was Israels Son.


                              32Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

                              33But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

                              34And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

                              These Gospel Promises of the new Covenant to the seed of Abraham [ spiritual] are the many I Will's and they shall's of God toward this certain people..

                              Lets look at them:

                              vs 33..He will put His Laws in their hearts and inward parts [ new birth promised see Titus 3 :5-6

                              He will be their God. This in itself makes their lives secure from the womb..

                              And they shall be my people. that is by faith they will be manifested as the children of God. Gal 3:26

                              26For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

                              This shows that faith in Christ is the result of Gods promise of the New Covenant [ and they shall be my people]

                              vs 34..Spiritually knowledge is ensured and not depended on man, for all of this certain people will know God..and there will not be any respect of persons, but from the least of this people to the greatest will be blessed with this Spiritual understanding.1 Jn 5:20

                              20And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us [Spiritual Israel] an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

                              Another promise is the forgiveness of sins, and the knowledge of it..

                              And their sins and iniquities will He remember no more..

                              And why is that ? because of the blood of the New Covenant Matt 26:28


                              28For this is my blood of the new testament [covenant], which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

                              The Many would be the House of Israel, Jer 31 :31

                              31Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

                              Now here is the Mystery revealed, that the House of Israel was not only comprised of ethnic Jews who were of the election of grace, but also gentiles also who were of the election of grace, who were not of the ethnic nation of Israel..

                              But nevertheless they were partakers of the same promises of the Gospel as the elect ethnic Jew's were..

                              Eph 3:6

                              6That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

                              Notice that gentiles should be of the same body What same body ? Why that body of People to whom the New Covenant promises were Made which was Jer 31:31

                              31Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

                              The word house here is the Hebrew word:

                              tyb and has the meaning of " Those belonging to the same household..

                              So you see, it was a secret not yet revealed clearly, that the gentiles were of the same household, the same body of the House of Israel to whom the New covenant promises had been made .in Jer 31: 31

                              So even though the Gospel promises never varied in that they were for a distinct people [ House of Israel] yet it was brought to light that , that distinct people was comprised of peoples all over the World .the gentiles..

                              The Gospel of New Covenant salvation through the blood of Jesus Christ was never for all the World of men, unless we are talking about scope, but not as individuals, because all individuals don't belong to the House of Israel. else God would have never made this distinct people separated from all other peoples in the world.

                              This is a Gospel Truth that Paul Preached. 2

                              Comment


                              • The Gospel of Gods Grace !

                                Paul said that he preached the Gospel of the grace of God per Acts 20:24

                                24But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.

                                Yes, The elect are saved by Grace Eph 2:5,8

                                5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)

                                8For by grace are ye saved through faith
                                ; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

                                Note that in both scriptures, Paul writes that the elect are saved by Grace and not by Faith

                                Many have corrupted salvation by Grace, by taking the reference to Faith in vs 8 and making it a condition of grace and salvation but that is grave and serious error.

                                Eph 2: 5 and 2: 8 are the same truth, except vs 8 adds expansion to the definition or meaning of being saved by Grace.

                                That is, that Faith is inclusive in the Truth of being saved by Grace. The Gift of God is salvation by grace through faith..

                                The Faith and the Grace are the gift of God ,Together they package salvation by grace through Faith..

                                The Faith is included in that it is the receptive valve and the realization of the salvation we have in and through Jesus Christ.

                                Rom 5 17

                                For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God's abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ.

                                So Grace furnishes the Faith to believe, as it is written, that the elect believe by Grace Acts 18:27

                                27And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:

                                So in essence, being saved by grace per Eph 2 5 is inclusive of being saved by Grace through Faith Eph 2 8. It [ salvation by grace through faith] is the Gift of God.2

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