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While this area is for the discussion of these doctrines within historic Christianity, all theists interested in discussing these areas within the presuppositions of and respect for the Christian framework are welcome to participate here. This is not the area for debate between nontheists and theists, additionally, there may be some topics that within the Moderator's discretion fall so outside the bounds of mainstream evangelical doctrine that may be more appropriately placed within Comparative Religions 101 Nontheists seeking only theistic participation only in a manner that does not seek to undermine the faith of others are also welcome - but we ask that Moderator approval be obtained beforehand.
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Repentance is the Gift Of God !
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Strewth - where do these stories originate?
The Commandment of God to repent is effectual !2
The word of Gods commandment produces the desired result.
[The imperative mood corresponds to the English imperative, and expresses a command to the hearer to perform a certain action by the order and authority of the one commanding.
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The Commandment of God to repent is effectual !2
The word of Gods commandment produces the desired result. When Christ commanded Lazarus Jn 11:43
And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth. Lets remember Lazarus was dead at this time:
Jn 11:14
Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.
Now the words come forth are in the greek an imperative
deuro:
(a) exclamatory: come, (b) temporal: now, the present.
in urging and calling, "Here! Come!"
The greek imperative means:
The imperative mood corresponds to the English imperative, and expresses a command to the hearer to perform a certain action by the order and authority of the one commanding.
In Acts 17:30 God is commanding all men everywhere to repent, and they shall do it, as many as God has Granted repentance Acts 11:1867
When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.
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Originally posted by footwasher View Post
In post #132 I asked you to show someone who became a believer after being converted into a person who loves God, by being re-programmed by the Holy Spirit, and you showed me Paul:
"Please show me any text in Scripture which describes a God hater turning into a God follower through being GIVEN repentance."
Paul was NOT a God hater.
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Originally posted by brightfame52 View Post
You demonstrated an inability to receive plain statements of truth ! According to Acts 9 who was Saul persecuting ?
"Please show me any text in Scripture which describes a God hater turning into a God follower through being GIVEN repentance."
Paul was NOT a God hater.
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Originally posted by footwasher View Post
No. I'm not. So answer the question.
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Originally posted by brightfame52 View Post
You got to be kidding me right ?
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Originally posted by footwasher View Post
So tell me, was Paul a God hater?
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Originally posted by tabibito View PostNonetheless, he himself declares that his actions were against God. The fact that those actions are only an outcome of ignorance does not change the fact that they are taken against God: particularly when he also points out that there is no excuse for that ignorance, which is to say - the ignorance is wilful.
Paul is never recorded as being one who witnessed the ministry of Jesus.
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Nonetheless, he himself declares that his actions were against God. The fact that those actions are only an outcome of ignorance does not change the fact that they are taken against God: particularly when he also points out that there is no excuse for that ignorance, which is to say - the ignorance is wilful.
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Originally posted by tabibito View PostAccording to Paul, that is indeed the case.
Php 3.6as to zeal, a persecutor of the church; as to the righteousness which is in the Law, found blameless.
Like his countrymen:
Rom 10.2For I testify about them that they have a zeal for God, but not in accordance with knowledge.
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Think carefully what you teach. You are saying Paul hated God and tried to destroy the Church.According to Paul, that is indeed the case.
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Originally posted by brightfame52 View Post
You still dont get it !
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Originally posted by footwasher View Post
Think carefully what you teach. You are saying Paul hated God and tried to destroy the Church.
Wrong. Paul loved God and tried to keep His People clean, by removing those he thought were unfaithful, like Phineas.
Jesus didn't give Paul a new mindset. He revealed to him how He was God and what He did was according to Scripture:
1 Cor 15.3For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4that He was buried, that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures.
When Paul understood this, he stopped persecuting the Church. Jesus didn't reprogram a robot. Paul changed his own mind, after he understood that the Church were those who saw the Scripture fulfilled in Christ.
Jews: waiting for Messiah.
Christians: rejoicing at Messiah's arrival.
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