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  • footwasher
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    Originally posted by tabibito View Post
    Strewth - where do these stories originate?


    Which explains why no-one disobeyed when they were commanded to repent. OOPS - there have been plenty who disobeyed.



    The imperative expresses desire, need, or (command - whether or not by legitimate authority). In prayers of petition, the key verbs are spoken in the imperative mood.
    Croikey! There are actually others who think the OP needs a psychiatrist!

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  • tabibito
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    Strewth - where do these stories originate?
    The Commandment of God to repent is effectual !2

    The word of Gods commandment produces the desired result.
    Which explains why no-one disobeyed when they were commanded to repent. OOPS - there have been plenty who disobeyed.

    [The imperative mood corresponds to the English imperative, and expresses a command to the hearer to perform a certain action by the order and authority of the one commanding.
    The imperative expresses desire, need, or (command - whether or not by legitimate authority). In prayers of petition, the key verbs are spoken in the imperative mood.

    Last edited by tabibito; 07-02-2021, 02:00 PM.

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  • brightfame52
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    The Commandment of God to repent is effectual !2

    The word of Gods commandment produces the desired result. When Christ commanded Lazarus Jn 11:43

    And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth. Lets remember Lazarus was dead at this time:

    Jn 11:14

    Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.

    Now the words come forth are in the greek an imperative
    deuro:

    (a) exclamatory: come, (b) temporal: now, the present.

    in urging and calling, "Here! Come!"

    The greek imperative means:


    The imperative mood corresponds to the English imperative, and expresses a command to the hearer to perform a certain action by the order and authority of the one commanding.


    In Acts 17:30 God is commanding all men everywhere to repent, and they shall do it, as many as God has Granted repentance Acts 11:1867

    When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

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  • footwasher
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    Originally posted by brightfame52 View Post

    According to Acts 9 who was Saul persecuting ? Did Saul love them he persecuted ?
    Paul was persecuting the Church. He was not persecuting God.

    Now you answer my question.

    Why was Paul persecuting the Church?

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  • brightfame52
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    Originally posted by footwasher View Post

    In post #132 I asked you to show someone who became a believer after being converted into a person who loves God, by being re-programmed by the Holy Spirit, and you showed me Paul:

    "Please show me any text in Scripture which describes a God hater turning into a God follower through being GIVEN repentance."

    Paul was NOT a God hater.
    According to Acts 9 who was Saul persecuting ? Did Saul love them he persecuted ?

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  • footwasher
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    Originally posted by brightfame52 View Post

    You demonstrated an inability to receive plain statements of truth ! According to Acts 9 who was Saul persecuting ?
    In post #132 I asked you to show someone who became a believer after being converted into a person who loves God, by being re-programmed by the Holy Spirit, and you showed me Paul:

    "Please show me any text in Scripture which describes a God hater turning into a God follower through being GIVEN repentance."

    Paul was NOT a God hater.

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  • brightfame52
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    Originally posted by footwasher View Post

    No. I'm not. So answer the question.
    You demonstrated an inability to receive plain statements of truth ! According to Acts 9 who was Saul persecuting ?

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  • footwasher
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    Originally posted by brightfame52 View Post

    You got to be kidding me right ?
    No. I'm not. So answer the question.

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  • brightfame52
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    Originally posted by footwasher View Post

    So tell me, was Paul a God hater?
    You got to be kidding me right ?

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  • footwasher
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    Originally posted by tabibito View Post
    Nonetheless, he himself declares that his actions were against God. The fact that those actions are only an outcome of ignorance does not change the fact that they are taken against God: particularly when he also points out that there is no excuse for that ignorance, which is to say - the ignorance is wilful.
    Against God unknowingly. Not all Israel were zealous but ignorant. Some resisted Jesus even though He provided them with sufficient proof.

    Paul is never recorded as being one who witnessed the ministry of Jesus.

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  • tabibito
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    Nonetheless, he himself declares that his actions were against God. The fact that those actions are only an outcome of ignorance does not change the fact that they are taken against God: particularly when he also points out that there is no excuse for that ignorance, which is to say - the ignorance is wilful.

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  • footwasher
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    Originally posted by tabibito View Post
    According to Paul, that is indeed the case.
    But the text says he was zealous FOR God:

    Php 3.6as to zeal, a persecutor of the church; as to the righteousness which is in the Law, found blameless.

    Like his countrymen:

    Rom 10.2For I testify about them that they have a zeal for God, but not in accordance with knowledge.

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  • tabibito
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    Think carefully what you teach. You are saying Paul hated God and tried to destroy the Church.
    According to Paul, that is indeed the case.

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  • footwasher
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    Originally posted by brightfame52 View Post

    You still dont get it !
    So tell me, was Paul a God hater?

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  • brightfame52
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    Originally posted by footwasher View Post

    Think carefully what you teach. You are saying Paul hated God and tried to destroy the Church.

    Wrong. Paul loved God and tried to keep His People clean, by removing those he thought were unfaithful, like Phineas.

    Jesus didn't give Paul a new mindset. He revealed to him how He was God and what He did was according to Scripture:

    1 Cor 15.3For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4that He was buried, that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures.

    When Paul understood this, he stopped persecuting the Church. Jesus didn't reprogram a robot. Paul changed his own mind, after he understood that the Church were those who saw the Scripture fulfilled in Christ.

    Jews: waiting for Messiah.

    Christians: rejoicing at Messiah's arrival.
    You still dont get it !

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