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Repentance is the Gift Of God !

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  • #181
    Originally posted by tabibito View Post
    Nonetheless, he himself declares that his actions were against God. The fact that those actions are only an outcome of ignorance does not change the fact that they are taken against God: particularly when he also points out that there is no excuse for that ignorance, which is to say - the ignorance is wilful.
    Against God unknowingly. Not all Israel were zealous but ignorant. Some resisted Jesus even though He provided them with sufficient proof.

    Paul is never recorded as being one who witnessed the ministry of Jesus.

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    • #182
      Originally posted by footwasher View Post

      So tell me, was Paul a God hater?
      You got to be kidding me right ?

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      • #183
        Originally posted by brightfame52 View Post

        You got to be kidding me right ?
        No. I'm not. So answer the question.

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        • #184
          Originally posted by footwasher View Post

          No. I'm not. So answer the question.
          You demonstrated an inability to receive plain statements of truth ! According to Acts 9 who was Saul persecuting ?

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          • #185
            Originally posted by brightfame52 View Post

            You demonstrated an inability to receive plain statements of truth ! According to Acts 9 who was Saul persecuting ?
            In post #132 I asked you to show someone who became a believer after being converted into a person who loves God, by being re-programmed by the Holy Spirit, and you showed me Paul:

            "Please show me any text in Scripture which describes a God hater turning into a God follower through being GIVEN repentance."

            Paul was NOT a God hater.

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            • #186
              Originally posted by footwasher View Post

              In post #132 I asked you to show someone who became a believer after being converted into a person who loves God, by being re-programmed by the Holy Spirit, and you showed me Paul:

              "Please show me any text in Scripture which describes a God hater turning into a God follower through being GIVEN repentance."

              Paul was NOT a God hater.
              According to Acts 9 who was Saul persecuting ? Did Saul love them he persecuted ?

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              • #187
                Originally posted by brightfame52 View Post

                According to Acts 9 who was Saul persecuting ? Did Saul love them he persecuted ?
                Paul was persecuting the Church. He was not persecuting God.

                Now you answer my question.

                Why was Paul persecuting the Church?

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                • #188
                  The Commandment of God to repent is effectual !2

                  The word of Gods commandment produces the desired result. When Christ commanded Lazarus Jn 11:43

                  And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth. Lets remember Lazarus was dead at this time:

                  Jn 11:14

                  Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.

                  Now the words come forth are in the greek an imperative
                  deuro:

                  (a) exclamatory: come, (b) temporal: now, the present.

                  in urging and calling, "Here! Come!"

                  The greek imperative means:


                  The imperative mood corresponds to the English imperative, and expresses a command to the hearer to perform a certain action by the order and authority of the one commanding.


                  In Acts 17:30 God is commanding all men everywhere to repent, and they shall do it, as many as God has Granted repentance Acts 11:1867

                  When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

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                  • #189
                    Strewth - where do these stories originate?
                    The Commandment of God to repent is effectual !2

                    The word of Gods commandment produces the desired result.
                    Which explains why no-one disobeyed when they were commanded to repent. OOPS - there have been plenty who disobeyed.

                    [The imperative mood corresponds to the English imperative, and expresses a command to the hearer to perform a certain action by the order and authority of the one commanding.
                    The imperative expresses desire, need, or (command - whether or not by legitimate authority). In prayers of petition, the key verbs are spoken in the imperative mood.

                    Last edited by tabibito; 07-02-2021, 01:00 PM.
                    1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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                    Scripture before Tradition:
                    but that won't prevent others from
                    taking it upon themselves to deprive you
                    of the right to call yourself Christian.
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                    • #190
                      Originally posted by tabibito View Post
                      Strewth - where do these stories originate?


                      Which explains why no-one disobeyed when they were commanded to repent. OOPS - there have been plenty who disobeyed.



                      The imperative expresses desire, need, or (command - whether or not by legitimate authority). In prayers of petition, the key verbs are spoken in the imperative mood.
                      Croikey! There are actually others who think the OP needs a psychiatrist!

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