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  • Originally posted by brightfame52 View Post

    You already dissing the points I have been explaining !
    Romans 7.1 is one of the most difficult verses to interpret. Is the wife (the believer) dead so that the Law has no jurisdiction over her? Is the husband (Law) dead so that the wife can be partnered with Grace?

    I can explain, but you should try first.

    And, yes, all errors or omissions will be pointed out.
    Last edited by footwasher; 05-23-2021, 04:06 AM.

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    • Originally posted by brightfame52 View Post

      You realize Israel here is Spiritual Israel, the Church dont you ? Its not referring to ethnic national israel at all !
      Israel is temporarily hardened and cut off. Because of this, opportunity to repent can be given to the Gentiles. Finally, when the pre-planned number of Gentiles have been gathered, the hardening will be removed and Israel will be grafted back in. So there will be two branches, the wild branch consisting of Gentiles, and the native branch, consisting of Israel. There is no spiritual Israel in the Root. Spiritual Israel is the remnant within ethnic Israel.

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      • Originally posted by footwasher View Post

        Romans 7.1 is one of the most difficult verses to interpret. Is the wife (the believer) dead so that the Law has no jurisdiction over her? Is the husband (Law) dead so that the wife can be partnered with Grace?

        I can explain, but you should try first.

        And, yes, all errors or omissions will be pointed out.
        You don't pay attention to my explaining.

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        • Originally posted by footwasher View Post

          Israel is temporarily hardened and cut off. Because of this, opportunity to repent can be given to the Gentiles. Finally, when the pre-planned number of Gentiles have been gathered, the hardening will be removed and Israel will be grafted back in. So there will be two branches, the wild branch consisting of Gentiles, and the native branch, consisting of Israel. There is no spiritual Israel in the Root. Spiritual Israel is the remnant within ethnic Israel.
          You don't understand. Acta 5:31 is Spiritual Israel.

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          • Originally posted by brightfame52 View Post

            You don't understand. Acta 5:31 is Spiritual Israel.
            So which Israel is joined back to the Root after the hardening is removed?

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            • Originally posted by brightfame52 View Post

              You don't pay attention to my explaining.
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              Paul’s analogy is rather confusing if you try to make it say more than he intends. In 7:2-3, the woman’s husband dies so that she is free to remarry. But in the application (7:4), it is not the husband that dies, but rather the wife dies to the law through Christ. By implication she is raised from the dead so that she can marry Christ, who died and was raised from the dead. But Paul does not intend this to be a tight allegory, where one thing consistently represents another. Rather, he is making the main point that by being identified with Christ in His death and resurrection, we died to the law so that we’re legally free to be joined to Christ.

              https://bible.org/seriespage/lesson-...aw-romans-71-6
              No one is sure who died. Did the believer/wife die or the law/husband die?

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              • Originally posted by footwasher View Post

                So which Israel is joined back to the Root after the hardening is removed?
                I dont know what you talking about !

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                • Originally posted by brightfame52 View Post

                  I dont know what you talking about !
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                  What does Romans 11:24 mean? [⇑ See verse text ⇑]

                  In the previous verse, Paul wrote that the branches pruned from God's metaphorical olive tree can be grafted back into it. In other words, God has rejected Israel only for now. His temporary rejection is due to her refusal to believe in Christ as the way to be righteous before God. However, He will receive her back when and if her people stop refusing to have faith in Christ.

                  Paul seems to be eager for Gentile Christians to reach two goals. First, to understand that this re-grafting is possible. Second, to look forward to it themselves. After all, God could cut them from the wild olive tree—the unspiritual religions of the world—and graft them into His own cultivated tree through faith in Christ. Therefore, God can graft back into His tree the branches that grew there in the first place.

                  Grafting wild olive tree branches into cultivated trees is not the natural way to raise olive trees. Symbolically speaking, it was not "natural" for God to do this in order to offer salvation to the Gentiles, though it is exactly what He has done. Paul's point is to highlight the way a Gentile Christian ought to look at the potential salvation of the Jewish people. What could be more natural than for God to welcome the Jewish people back into His family, as they begin to trust in Christ for their salvation?


                  https://www.bibleref.com/Romans/11/Romans-11-24.html

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                  • Originally posted by footwasher View Post

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                    What does Romans 11:24 mean? [⇑ See verse text ⇑]

                    In the previous verse, Paul wrote that the branches pruned from God's metaphorical olive tree can be grafted back into it. In other words, God has rejected Israel only for now. His temporary rejection is due to her refusal to believe in Christ as the way to be righteous before God. However, He will receive her back when and if her people stop refusing to have faith in Christ.

                    Paul seems to be eager for Gentile Christians to reach two goals. First, to understand that this re-grafting is possible. Second, to look forward to it themselves. After all, God could cut them from the wild olive tree—the unspiritual religions of the world—and graft them into His own cultivated tree through faith in Christ. Therefore, God can graft back into His tree the branches that grew there in the first place.

                    Grafting wild olive tree branches into cultivated trees is not the natural way to raise olive trees. Symbolically speaking, it was not "natural" for God to do this in order to offer salvation to the Gentiles, though it is exactly what He has done. Paul's point is to highlight the way a Gentile Christian ought to look at the potential salvation of the Jewish people. What could be more natural than for God to welcome the Jewish people back into His family, as they begin to trust in Christ for their salvation?


                    https://www.bibleref.com/Romans/11/Romans-11-24.html
                    You have gone off on a tangent. This thread is about the Gift of repentance to a certain people, the Israel of God !

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                    • Originally posted by brightfame52 View Post

                      You have gone off on a tangent. This thread is about the Gift of repentance to a certain people, the Israel of God !
                      You said Israel rejected the repentance because she wasn't the real Israel. That's absolutely not true. Jesus said he was sent to gather the lost sheep of Israel. He did miracles ONLY for Israel, not other nations, calling them God's children. However, they did not believe, just like the Exodus Israel did not believe. Just search for 'they forgot' in Bible websites like Biblehub dot com. You'll find many verses like this:

                      Ps 106.21They forgot the God who saved them,

                      who had done great things in Egypt,

                      22miracles in the land of Ham

                      and awesome deeds by the Red Sea.

                      Just like Chorazin and Bethesda who also did not believe God could successfully bring them into Rest.

                      However, Paul said this unbelief was temporary. The hardening by God was so that Gentiles could be saved. After the planned number of Gentiles are saved, God will put Israel back into the Root.

                      You are wrong that Israel was given repentance. No, she was given the OPPORTUNITY to repent.

                      You are wrong that physical Israel is not Israel.

                      Jesus said it was wrong to give the children's bread to the dogs. In other words, JESUS said Israelites were God's children.
                      Last edited by footwasher; 05-28-2021, 02:39 PM.

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                      • Originally posted by footwasher View Post

                        You said Israel rejected the repentance because she wasn't the real Israel. That's absolutely not true. Jesus said he was sent to gather the lost sheep of Israel. He did miracles ONLY for Israel, not other nations, calling them God's children. However, they did not believe, just like the Exodus Israel did not believe. Just search for 'they forgot' in Bible websites like Biblehub dot com. You'll find many verses like this:

                        Ps 106.21They forgot the God who saved them,

                        who had done great things in Egypt,

                        22miracles in the land of Ham

                        and awesome deeds by the Red Sea.

                        Just like Chorazin and Bethesda who also did not believe God could successfully bring them into Rest.

                        However, Paul said this unbelief was temporary. The hardening by God was so that Gentiles could be saved. After the planned number of Gentiles are saved, God will put Israel back into the Root.

                        You are wrong that Israel was given repentance. No, she was given the OPPORTUNITY to repent.

                        You are wrong that physical Israel is not Israel.

                        Jesus said it was wrong to give the children's bread to the dogs. In other words, JESUS said Israelites were God's children.
                        You dont get it !

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                        • Originally posted by brightfame52 View Post

                          You dont get it !
                          Physical Israel is Israel.

                          Physical Israel was NOT given repentance.

                          Please show me any text in Scripture which describes a God hater turning into a God follower through being GIVEN repentance.

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                          • The Commandment of God to repent is effectual !


                            Paul's sermon here in Acts 17:30


                            And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now [God] commandeth all men every where to repent:


                            This is the Sovereign God of the Universe, this is His Word of Command, for instance Ps 33:8-9


                            8 Let all the earth fear the Lord: let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of him.


                            9 For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast.


                            So Gods commanding the all men to repent ensures with His own power that its done by the all men He specifically commands to repent !66

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                            • Originally posted by footwasher View Post

                              Physical Israel is Israel.

                              Physical Israel was NOT given repentance.

                              Please show me any text in Scripture which describes a God hater turning into a God follower through being GIVEN repentance.
                              Paul was like that. When he was on the road to damascus in Acts 9, he wasnt on his way to a prayer meeting !

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                              • Originally posted by brightfame52 View Post

                                Paul was like that. When he was on the road to damascus in Acts 9, he wasnt on his way to a prayer meeting !
                                Paul was not a God hater. Even then, Jews were not unrighteous, and Paul was the most righteous amongst Jews:

                                Rom 10.2For I can testify about them that they are zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge.

                                So you have to show Scripture which says God turned people who were haters into non-haters by being given repentance.
                                Last edited by footwasher; 06-01-2021, 11:18 PM.

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