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  • Originally posted by footwasher View Post

    Paul was not a God hater. Even then, Jews were not unrighteous, and Paul was the most righteous amongst Jews:

    Rom 10.2For I can testify about them that they are zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge.

    So you have to show Scripture which says God turned people who were haters into non-haters by being given repentance.
    You not in reality friend !

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    • Originally posted by brightfame52 View Post

      You not in reality friend !
      So you can't show Scripture which describes some person being given repentance, becoming faithful to God, when before he ignored God.

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      • Originally posted by footwasher View Post

        So you can't show Scripture which describes some person being given repentance, becoming faithful to God, when before he ignored God.
        You lack the sight to see that Paul was given repentance, a change of mind about Christ, who is God by the way, and whom Paul hated !

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        • Originally posted by brightfame52 View Post

          You lack the sight to see that Paul was given repentance, a change of mind about Christ, who is God by the way, and whom Paul hated !
          Then why did God choose Paul?

          Every person God chose was righteous: Elizabeth, Zachariah, Anna, Simeon, Mary, Joseph, Cornelius, all were found righteous.

          In fact, show me a person God chose who was not pleasing in His sight.

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          • Originally posted by footwasher View Post

            Then why did God choose Paul?

            Every person God chose was righteous: Elizabeth, Zachariah, Anna, Simeon, Mary, Joseph, Cornelius, all were found righteous.

            In fact, show me a person God chose who was not pleasing in His sight.
            Dont change the subject, you cant see that Paul was given repentance, and change of mind about GOD and Christ ?

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            • Originally posted by brightfame52 View Post

              Dont change the subject, you cant see that Paul was given repentance, and change of mind about GOD and Christ ?
              See, your idiot teacher would have told you that the bad Jews were the ones who did not believe Jesus, and the remnant were the good Jews who did believe Jesus.

              What about the remnant that God told Elijah about? He said He had kept aside 7000 people who had not bowed their knees to Baal. Did these people also believe in Jesus and were kept aside?

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              • Originally posted by footwasher View Post

                See, your idiot teacher would have told you that the bad Jews were the ones who did not believe Jesus, and the remnant were the good Jews who did believe Jesus.

                What about the remnant that God told Elijah about? He said He had kept aside 7000 people who had not bowed their knees to Baal. Did these people also believe in Jesus and were kept aside?
                Paul was given repentance, a change of mind. He started out on the road to damascus hating Christ, but Christ stopped him and changed his mind. And unfortunately you blind to this !

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                • Originally posted by brightfame52 View Post

                  Paul was given repentance, a change of mind. He started out on the road to damascus hating Christ, but Christ stopped him and changed his mind. And unfortunately you blind to this !
                  But Paul loved God!

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                  • Originally posted by footwasher View Post

                    But Paul loved God!
                    Not at first, you didnt see sauls hate towards God and His people ? Acts 9:1-2

                    And Saul, yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went unto the high priest,

                    2 And desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem.

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                    • Originally posted by brightfame52 View Post

                      Not at first, you didnt see sauls hate towards God and His people ? Acts 9:1-2

                      And Saul, yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went unto the high priest,

                      2 And desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem.
                      See, in Israel, there were two types of people. Those who loved God and those who didn't. The remnant and the rest.


                      The remnant read the Bible and believed God's word, which said they had to fast and tithe, without neglecting the weightier requirements of the law, justice, mercy and faithfulness.


                      The rest said God must compulsorily bless us, because we are Abraham's children, because only Abraham's children fast and tithe, which we do.


                      God was patient, but when the people neglected His laws too much, did not believe that all of the law was needed to be obeyed, He placed His wrath on them. They were defeated and taken into exile. In fact, if there had been no faithful people, those who believed God's words, that all the law was to be obeyed, Israel would have disappeared, like Sodom and Gomorrah.


                      This happened many times, and it was happening in the time of John. People got scared, because they knew God was unhappy. There were signs that a big disaster was about to take place. A tower fell in Siloam, and many people were killed. Pilate desecrated the Temple by killing Jews inside it. It was like the small temblors you feel before an earthquake. But the people did not know what they were doing wrong. John told them that they had disbelieved God's word, that He wanted them to obey ALL His commands. They were wrong to twist Scripture to say that being children of Abraham forced God to protect them, because Abraham's children were recognised as such, not because of fasting and tithing, like the self righteous Pharisee in the Temple, but because they were loyal, believed ALL of God's words, like the Publican in the same Temple. They were not like Adam, who sinned, disbelieving God's words, twisting them, saying, 'Did God really say we should not sin?' :


                      Luke 3.7So he was saying to the crowds who were going out to be baptized by him, “You [d]offspring of vipers, who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? 8Therefore produce fruits that are consistent with repentance, and do not start saying [e]to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father,’ for I say to you that from these stones God is able to raise up children for Abraham. 9But indeed the axe is already being laid at the root of the trees; so every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.”


                      After John, Jesus kept teaching the SAME things:


                      Luke 11.42“But woe to you Pharisees! For you pay tithes of mint, rue, and every kind of garden herb, and yet you ignore justice and the love of God; but these are the things you should have done without neglecting the others.


                      So what do you think? Was Paul like the faithful Jews or the unfaithful ones? Like those who believed God's words or those who neglected it?
                      Last edited by footwasher; 06-07-2021, 01:39 PM.

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                      • Originally posted by footwasher View Post

                        See, in Israel, there were two types of people. Those who loved God and those who didn't. The remnant and the rest.


                        The remnant read the Bible and believed God's word, which said they had to fast and tithe, without neglecting the weightier requirements of the law, justice, mercy and faithfulness.


                        The rest said God must compulsorily bless us, because we are Abraham's children, because only Abraham's children fast and tithe, which we do.


                        God was patient, but when the people neglected His laws too much, did not believe that all of the law was needed to be obeyed, He placed His wrath on them. They were defeated and taken into exile. In fact, if there had been no faithful people, those who believed God's words, that all the law was to be obeyed, Israel would have disappeared, like Sodom and Gomorrah.


                        This happened many times, and it was happening in the time of John. People got scared, because they knew God was unhappy. There were signs that a big disaster was about to take place. A tower fell in Siloam, and many people were killed. Pilate desecrated the Temple by killing Jews inside it. It was like the small temblors you feel before an earthquake. But the people did not know what they were doing wrong. John told them that they had disbelieved God's word, that He wanted them to obey ALL His commands. They were wrong to twist Scripture to say that being children of Abraham forced God to protect them, because Abraham's children were recognised as such, not because of fasting and tithing, like the self righteous Pharisee in the Temple, but because they were loyal, believed ALL of God's words, like the Publican in the same Temple. They were not like Adam, who sinned, disbelieving God's words, twisting them, saying, 'Did God really say we should not sin?' :


                        Luke 3.7So he was saying to the crowds who were going out to be baptized by him, “You [d]offspring of vipers, who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? 8Therefore produce fruits that are consistent with repentance, and do not start saying [e]to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father,’ for I say to you that from these stones God is able to raise up children for Abraham. 9But indeed the axe is already being laid at the root of the trees; so every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.”


                        After John, Jesus kept teaching the SAME things:


                        Luke 11.42“But woe to you Pharisees! For you pay tithes of mint, rue, and every kind of garden herb, and yet you ignore justice and the love of God; but these are the things you should have done without neglecting the others.


                        So what do you think? Was Paul like the faithful Jews or the unfaithful ones? Like those who believed God's words or those who neglected it?
                        Didnt Saul of Tarsus hate God in Christ and His People at first sir ? Yes or no ?

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                        • Originally posted by brightfame52 View Post

                          Didnt Saul of Tarsus hate God in Christ and His People at first sir ? Yes or no ?
                          He was in Tarsus, he never met Jesus in person, so how can he hate Him?

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                          • Originally posted by footwasher View Post

                            He was in Tarsus, he never met Jesus in person, so how can he hate Him?
                            You dont get it.

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                            • Originally posted by brightfame52 View Post

                              You dont get it.
                              Peter knew Jesus, meeting Him in person. He slowly learned Jesus was God. It was a shock to him too, this realisation.

                              So how is Paul supposed to react to a claim that a person us God? Unless he studies or learns slowly, carefully, it's going to be very difficult, especially if you are a Jew, and you believe in the Shema, the first commandment.

                              Hear, O Israel...

                              Deut 6.4“Hear, Israel! The LORD is our God, the LORD is one!
                              Last edited by footwasher; 06-12-2021, 08:59 PM.

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                              • Originally posted by footwasher View Post

                                Peter knew Jesus, meeting Him in person. He slowly learned Jesus was God. It was a shock to him too, this realisation.

                                So how is Paul supposed to react to a claim that a person us God? Unless he studies or learns slowly, carefully, it's going to be very difficult, especially if you are a Jew, and you believe in the Shema, the first commandment.

                                Hear, O Israel...

                                Deut 6.4“Hear, Israel! The LORD is our God, the LORD is one!
                                You still dont see it !

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