The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

[Dave L]

This is addressed to brightflame52 not you.

I'm sorry to have upset you. But all things work together for good to those who love the Lord.

[footwasher]

But you cannot have a nobler side unless you are born again. Where do you find nobility in the flesh?

The Bible says every man wants to do good, but his flesh resists his spirit:

Rom 7:21So this is the principle I have discovered: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me. 22For in my inner being I delight in God’s law. 23But I see another law at work in my body, warring against the law of my mind and holding me captive to the law of sin that dwells within me.

See, his inner being, his nobler side delights in God's law.

Who wouldn't want to do good always? To be saved from the nagging of a guilty conscience? If it's easy, everyone would prefer it. However, the flesh tells us it's too hard, so the flesh wins over the nobler side/spirit/inner being/mind.

[Dave L]

The Bible says every man wants to do good, but his flesh resists his spirit:

Rom 7:21So this is the principle I have discovered: When I want to do good, evil is right there with me. 22For in my inner being I delight in God’s law. 23But I see another law at work in my body, warring against the law of my mind and holding me captive to the law of sin that dwells within me.

See, his inner being, his nobler side delights in God's law.

Who wouldn't want to do good always? To be saved from the nagging of a guilty conscience? If it's easy, everyone would prefer it. However, the flesh tells us it's too hard, so the flesh wins over the nobler side/spirit/inner being/mind.

This is true of born again believers. But people love their sin and hate God apart from the new birth. If not true, why did the Jews reject the God they claimed to worship? He stood right in front of them.

[footwasher]

This is true of born again believers. But people love their sin and hate God apart from the new birth. If not true, why did the Jews reject the God they claimed to worship? He stood right in front of them.

Not all the Jews rejected Him. The good Jews accepted Him.

[Dave L]

Not all the Jews rejected Him. The good Jews accepted Him.

A few were born again or they could not believe in him. Faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit.

[footwasher]

A few were born again or they could not believe in him. Faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit.

Again, I repeat, we hear and believe, then we receive the Holy Spirit. First belief, then receive:

Gal 3:⁵ So again I ask, does God give you his Spirit and work miracles^(H) among you by the works of the law, or by your believing what you heard?

[Dave L]

Again, I repeat, we hear and believe, then we receive the Holy Spirit. First belief, then receive:

Gal 3:⁵ So again I ask, does God give you his Spirit and work miracles^(H) among you by the works of the law, or by your believing what you heard?

You have it backward. God gives the elect the Holy Spirit. They hear and believe. Regular people think the gospel is a law and try to save themselves through obedience. But law cannot save. Also, they cannot discern the true Christ and worship a Christ of their imagination instead.

[footwasher]

You have it backward. God gives the elect the Holy Spirit. They hear and believe. Regular people think the gospel is a law and try to save themselves through obedience. But law cannot save. Also, they cannot discern the true Christ and worship a Christ of their imagination instead.

You are fighting against God's word, not me:

Gal 3:⁵ So again I ask, does God give you his Spirit and work miracles^(H) among you by the works of the law, or by your believing what you heard?

God gives you His Spirit, by believing the Gospel.

[Dave L]

You are fighting against God's word, not me:

Gal 3:⁵ So again I ask, does God give you his Spirit and work miracles^(H) among you by the works of the law, or by your believing what you heard?

God gives you His Spirit, by believing the Gospel.

Salvation is a miracle that God works on sinners before they can believe in the true sense. You give the wicked flesh credit for salvation instead.

[footwasher]

Salvation is a miracle that God works on sinners before they can believe in the true sense. You give the wicked flesh credit for salvation instead.

No, we chose to listen to our nobler side rather than our fleshly side to believe. Romans 7 says we have a mind which wishes to do good, and a body which wishes to disobey. Which do you choose? Depending on which nature you choose to listen to decides if you stay in the darkness or come to the light.

[Dave L]

No, we chose to listen to our nobler side rather than our fleshly side to believe. Romans 7 says we have a mind which wishes to do good, and a body which wishes to disobey. Which do you choose? Depending on which nature you choose to listen to decides if you stay in the darkness or come to the light.

But the flesh cannot hear spiritual truth. So that's why idol worship is included in its roster. Only the born again can hear the true word and understand.

[Bill the Cat]

Salvation is a miracle that God works on sinners before they can believe in the true sense. You give the wicked flesh credit for salvation instead.

You're misusing the term "flesh"

[Dave L]

You're misusing the term "flesh"

It is all you have to work with unless God gives you a new heart.

[Bill the Cat]

It is all you have to work with unless God gives you a new heart.

Still doesn't remove our free will choice to choose His prompting to come to Him.

[Dave L]

Still doesn't remove our free will choice to choose His prompting to come to Him.

Free will doesn't exist until after salvation. You must believe (be saved) before you would ever come to him. And Faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit.